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| Thread ID: 66141 | 2006-02-12 20:20:00 | Telecom's latest UBS "offer" | gibler (49) | PC World Chat |
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| 429692 | 2006-02-13 08:34:00 | Here's the discussion on Telecom from today Larry Williams show on NewstalkZB.] You can also fine this on the NewstalkZB website: www.newstalkzb.co.nz - Telecom boosts broadband service - Telecom spokesman Matt Crockett explains the thinking behind Telecom Xtras new, improved broadband service, announced today (talking to Newstalk ZBs Larry Williams) www.newstalkzb.co.nz - Slingshot reacts to Telecom broadband broadside - Slingshot CEO Annette Presley gives Newstalk ZBs Larry Williams her reaction to Telecoms new faster, cheaper broadband options. |
stu161204 (123) | ||
| 429693 | 2006-02-13 09:54:00 | Y'know so many comments of seen on this thread and others here and in other forums, just go to prove that Kiwis can be the most mule-headed country of people on the planet. Talk about looking a gift horse in the mouth! Does no-one even vaguely realise the positive step forward this is? Almost all I've seen today is whinge, complain, moan, get angry - I mean good grief, people can be short-sighted! And damn childish too. And what's worse, is the abysmally low level of intelligence that people display when they can't even understand the new plans; let alone appreciate the benefits of them. Grr I could scream! Oh yes, it's a huge step forward. If you were on the 256k/3GB plan, then yes, your service is better. For everyone else there is a barely noticeable speed bump and the transfer and upstream limitations still remain. Take Australia for example, and they aren't that much further up the list. Say the a person is willing to spend up to $50 on their internet connection: Telecom's Current Plans: 256k downstream / 128kbps upstream, 3GB cap. Telecom's New Plans: 3.5MBit downstream / 128kbps upstream, 5GB cap. iiNet Australia: 24MBit downstream / 1MBit upstream, 20GB cap (total on and off peak) You can look at other examples, but I think that is a good one. The data cap is the biggest issue. In the US, ~NZ$65 gets you 5MBit from Road Runner - not sure about the cap as it doesn't seem to be mentioned when quickly glancing at their site so one would assume it is unmetered, or in the UK 2MBit unmetered access for ~NZ$75 from BT (I noticed a few 22MBit options at similar prices as well from other ISPs). The key isn't price, as prices are similar to what most people who need proper broadband are paying in New Zealand, it's what you are getting for your money. The info above just came from a few Google searches so possibly there are better options, I don't know. Just something to consider. :2cents: |
maccrazy (6741) | ||
| 429694 | 2006-02-13 10:25:00 | You guys are never going to be satisfied are you... it's a huge step forward already. And I must say, your average Joe Bloggs user is unlikely to be like the typical PF1 user who downloads 10-20GB per month file sharing. Therefore, the plan in place, is pretty much quite sufficient for the average Joe Bloggs. | techie (7177) | ||
| 429695 | 2006-02-13 20:45:00 | You guys are never going to be satisfied are you... it's a huge step forward already. And I must say, your average Joe Bloggs user is unlikely to be like the typical PF1 user who downloads 10-20GB per month file sharing. Therefore, the plan in place, is pretty much quite sufficient for the average Joe Bloggs. That's lovely and all, but what you and Greg don't seem to realise is that we could actually have more competitive prices if the Government regulate. The only reason Telecom do this is because they think the govt won't make them have better pricing. Yes, your mum and dad users who only check emails will get a "better" deal, but when you see what people get overseas it's shocking. |
Edward (31) | ||
| 429696 | 2006-02-13 20:56:00 | You know what would be huge step forward . . . . Genuine Reduction in Broadband Plan prices!!! Priority to price reduction first and then speed increase!! Yes faster speed is great but all the prices remain the same and adoption rate remains pathetic . And the new $29/month is pathetic & laughable and even third world countries with broadband access dont offer 200MB capped plans . I can see a lot of poor people getting that excessa usage charge as the speed does not throttle down once you reach 200MB cap . ITs so blatantly obvious the reason for Telecom to reduce prices and increase speed all in the name of better and affordable broadband access to NZ'ers when Commerce Commission is on their butts . I hope Commerce commission continues with their plans and not fall for these little cheap tricks from telecom . |
vodafone (9466) | ||
| 429697 | 2006-02-13 21:01:00 | Grief!!!! You whingers want it all - dirt cheap broadband, unlimited access... why not ask for free spaceship travel while you're about it!? | Greg (193) | ||
| 429698 | 2006-02-13 21:06:00 | Grief!!!! You whingers want it all - dirt cheap broadband, unlimited access... why not ask for free spaceship travel while you're about it!? Australia gets it. Why can't we? |
Edward (31) | ||
| 429699 | 2006-02-13 21:07:00 | That's lovely and all, but what you and Greg don't seem to realise is that we could actually have more competitive prices if the Government regulate.Um, should the Government regulate how your momma changes your nappies so that she gets the best possible value? C'mon, the industry HAS to have some free enterprise aspects to it or else it'd never progress - we'd still be chucking spears if it weren't for allowing common market sensibilities to have their input, and their profits, without totalitarian rule. Get real - did you ever notice the Berlin Wall falling down? Well it did, I promise you. |
Greg (193) | ||
| 429700 | 2006-02-13 21:13:00 | but when you see what people get overseas it's shocking.Even if they do regulate, it's still going to be hard to bring the prices down because international bandwidth is expensive. The internet is cheaper overseas because thats where the internet is. Some of the info here might help with that: www.telegeography.com So even if ADSL was uncapped, unrestricted etc. The cost is still going to be reasonably high, as the only way to get data in and out of the country is by paying providers on the Southern Cross cable. An ISP pays in the $000's per 1M of international transit, a home DSL user pays $60 for a 2M connection to the ISP. Think about that, versus the over subscription rate required to return even a modicum of profit. Even with the new UBS offerings, the ISP only buys it wholesale at ~30% less than what Xtra retail it at. In that tiny margin they need to buy the international transit, provide helpdesking, e-mail, spam and virus filtering, user homepage space, IP ranges, termination equipment etc etc etc. There ain't a lot of wiggle room. Edit: Not to mention the country itself is largely spread out and even shifting data around the country is a pretty mammoth task. We live a long way away from the internet. It's not cheap to run 1000's of miles of fibre along the seabed. It will be expensive one way or the other. |
ninja (1671) | ||
| 429701 | 2006-02-13 21:18:00 | Come on Greg, all anyone wants is value for money, and none of those plans get even close, Its not even a matter of what people can afford but more what the product is worth. And the product isn't worth any of those prices. |
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