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Thread ID: 66425	2006-02-22 09:05:00	Reactions to South Park?	imarubberducky (7230)	PC World Chat

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432899	2006-02-22 22:36:00	Hmmmmmmmmm I think a lot of us have enough problems in our own lives without broadcasting and bleeting on about a stupid program that you have a choice to watch or not. beetle So if a TV program ridiculed black people/asians along the lines of the National Front/Nazi types, you'd be quite happy about that? No opinion? Simply not watching it doesn't mean that others don't and are influenced by the attitudes screened.	Winston001 (3612)
432900	2006-02-22 22:41:00	Thankyou Bruce for that thoughtful post. Its what I was leading to but you are much more eloquent. :thumbs:	Winston001 (3612)
432901	2006-02-22 22:45:00	Well actually, that's a pretty contentous statement . Beliefs, by their very nature, are often firmly held, and do not take lightly to being "mocked" . Even here at F1 -- where in theory discussions on topics like Mac vs PC, Telecom, Trademe et al should be conducted in the realm of logic -- they often end up with firmly held opinions resulting in frayed tempers and insults . And that's without introducing big questions like "god" . Religion is a fundamental aspect of the human condtion, and encompasses the most important of questions about life . Beliefs don't come any stronger than beliefs in a god or gods . So to simply dismiss people's beliefs with a comment that if they can't face them being "mocked" then they have a problem, is a fairly shallow response . If you don't share the belif, and find it funny that others do, then you don't see what the problem is with mocking it . But for soemone who believes deeply, mocking their beliefs is no different to mocking them, or their loved ones . It is a personal insult . The better question is whether in an open and democratic society, that has prospered through the fundamental process of questioning previously rigidly held positions -- be they religious, political, economic or social -- it is not more important to maintain that freedom of speech than it is to surpress it on the grounds that it may give offense . When I look at the world, I think the anser is clear that we all prosper by maintaining that freedom to question, criticse and even mock our own establishments, and that it is very important to maintainn this right, even when doing so does give offense to some . But don't tell people they have a problem if they take offense and choose to voice that concern . Because it is also their right ina free society to be offended, and to ay so . I reject your reality and substitute my own . The people complaining are just unable to deal with menstraul blood, Bet they aren't even capable to explaining the subject to their daughters when they come of age, probally send em to someone "worldly" like a preist . They have their painties in such a tight wad that they need to have there reality rejected . . . . . South Park has mocked religion since day one, to great humores efffect, without so much as a peep, then mention normal bodily functions and they go to pieces . . . . (hell, even Father Ted mocked the church to great effect, I want the episode where he gets the cardinal to bend over the toilet and then boots him up the arse played at my funeral . . . . Muhahahahahaha . . . . I should go watch it) Edit- I actually pretty much agree with what you said, I have just been waiting for someone to post a long thoughtful reply so I could throw in the "I reject your reality and substitute my own" lineI picked up from elsewhere . . . . .	Metla (12)
432902	2006-02-22 22:47:00	Well actually, that's a pretty contentous statement. Beliefs, by their very nature, are often firmly held, and do not take lightly to being "mocked". Even here at F1 -- where in theory discussions on topics like Mac vs PC, Telecom, Trademe et al should be conducted in the realm of logic -- they often end up with firmly held opinions resulting in frayed tempers and insults. And that's without introducing big questions like "god". Religion is a fundamental aspect of the human condtion, and encompasses the most important of questions about life. Beliefs don't come any stronger than beliefs in a god or gods. So to simply dismiss people's beliefs with a comment that if they can't face them being "mocked" then they have a problem, is a fairly shallow response. If you don't share the belief, and find it funny that others do, then you don't see what the problem is with mocking it. But for someone who believes deeply, mocking their beliefs is no different to mocking them, or their loved ones. It is a personal insult. The better question is whether in an open and democratic society, that has prospered through the fundamental process of questioning previously rigidly held positions -- be they religious, political, economic or social -- it is not more important to maintain that freedom of speech than it is to surpress it on the grounds that it may give offense. When I look at the world, I think the answer is clear that we all prosper by maintaining that freedom to question, criticse and even mock our own establishments, and that it is very important to maintainn this right, even when doing so does give offense to some. But don't tell people they have a problem if they take offense and choose to voice that concern. Because it is also their right in a free society to be offended, and to say so. Woooohhh! I've got strong feelings on the subject too. But I remember to "live and let live".	Greg (193)
432903	2006-02-22 22:53:00	W001 -I see your point but i wasnt saying i agreed or disagree what was shown, i didnt see it . But if by "watching it" you then say I may agree with it idea . . . . . . . is not really what i meant . But no i may not actually agree with it, but if i dont myself see it, (the program) then i cannot really comment on its rights or wrongs . and no I really dont think being cruel or whatever you are suggesting to any body (guilty of this before myself) whatever race, creed or religon is acceptable, then i no it is not . I understand i dont know what the problem is, or why people think it is all about religon, catholics or whatever . is it not really about what Jen rapped me over the other day - "Humanity" and treated others with curtesy, respect Most of this sort of thing is out of my league, and at the moment I see this is on par with that art that caused a riot last yr? a condom on a statue? doesnt mean i beleive, or want to join the goodies or baddies . . . . . . . . . Just that this really is not a thing that concerns me majorly at the moment . How can this impact on me ? I can see some editing coming up eh W001? seems im way too slow . . . . . . . . . . . So is this a discussion or an argument of rights wrongs or beleifs? beetle	beetle (243)
432904	2006-02-22 22:57:00	I reject your reality and substitute my own. The people complaining are just unable to deal with menstraul blood, Bet they aren't even capable to explaining the subject to their daughters when they come of age, probally send em to someone "worldly" like a preist. They have their painties in such a tight wad that they need to have there reality rejected..... South Park has mocked religion since day one, to great humores efffect, without so much as a peep, then mention normal bodily functions and they go to pieces....(hell, even Father Ted mocked the church to great effect, I want the episode where he gets the cardinal to bend over the toilet and then boots him up the arse played at my funeral....Muhahahahahaha....I should go watch it) Not quite fair, Metla. The Catholic issue with the SP episode is not about an inability to deal with menstraul blood. At least I would assume its not, because I haven't spoken to anyone who took part in the protest. Have you? Or is your summation of their perceived personal problems based on your own beliefs, rather than facts or personal experience? However, one would assume that since the Virgin Mary holds a special place in Catholicism it is the percieved disrespect to her that is the real issue. Father Ted made fun of the institution of the Catholic Chruch, and as such was propably widely appreciated by Catholics as much as anyone. It did not make fun of God, or Jesus or Mary. That is a very important difference. For the record I see no problem with TV3 broadcasting the issue and find the statements from some Catholics interviewed - to the effect that the episode will help breed intolerance to Catholics - rather hysterical. But if their fears are hysterical and ill-founded, then some of the comments here from people about what the protesters real motivations are or what they need to do with their lives, are equally ill-founded. The freedom of speech door swings both ways.	Biggles (121)
432905	2006-02-22 22:59:00	Just because a person has a belief which is deep and strong doesn't give it any credence at all. Some people are 'devoutly' racist and sexist and whatever ist, but this doesn't make their beliefs any more worthy of respect. All religion is a con and a farce. The 'major' religions are just like the small crackpot cults, they're just bigger and have been around longer, that's all. On the other hand I do believe that there is clear distinction between satire and insult. As an anti religios person I will take the mickey out of people's beliefs, but I don't wish to be insulting. As fort the South Park thing, didn't see it, not interested. I've got a tree on my property that has all the stages of the cross in its bark, you've got to have faith to see it but people are welcome to have alook. $5.00 at the gate. :D	mark c (247)
432906	2006-02-22 23:06:00	Not quite fair, Metla . Muhahahaha . . . . Thats me to a T . Auctioner: Our first item is a pair of panties confiscated from a prostitute . Quagmire: Fifty bucks . Auctioner: She had nine STDs . Quagmire: Forty-five bucks . Auctioner: And when we caught her she wet herself . Quagmire: Fifty bucks . Giggity giggity . Giggity goo	Metla (12)
432907	2006-02-22 23:19:00	Perhaps I should have mentioned that I was brought up as a catholic. Catholic schools and mass half a dozen times a week. Biggoted homosexual priests and all the rest of the nonsense. I reckon I have every right in the world to detest the church and everyone in it. It gives me great pleasure to watch them squirm.	JJJJJ (528)
432908	2006-02-22 23:58:00	I might be opening a can of worms here but... As far as Catholics go - the content in that episode was highly disrespective to say the least and would have probably offended many many people if they bothered to watch it. Now compare this with a couple of drawn cartoons in a few newspapers which have insighted riots, bountys, burning of churches and complete uproar from the Muslim communities all over the world. Very similar situation - very different fallout - think about that before you start b*tching about Catholics. :lol: Oh yeah and the Pink Floyd thing after was really excellent - definitely not a waste of time :) :)	HadO (796)
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