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| Thread ID: 66485 | 2006-02-24 23:41:00 | Are you a New Zealander or a European? | Scouse (83) | PC World Chat |
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| 433538 | 2006-03-02 00:06:00 | ...........Ethnicity is rascist. With respect I disagree. Ethnicity is simply a description of a cultural and usually genetic group which a person belongs to. See en.wikipedia.org By contrast, to be racist is to categorise and apply pre-determined prejudices to ethnic individuals. It is the prejudice which is harmful, not the fact that someone is Indian, Maori, or European. |
Winston001 (3612) | ||
| 433539 | 2006-03-02 01:11:00 | I must move in the wrong circles because other than the mother-in-law I don’t know anybody who fills them in accurately and some don’t bother to fill them in at all. :horrified Those that don't fill them in just tell the collector they were posted in. All this suggests to me that the margin of error must be horrific. Sufficient to make any conclusions impossible surely. So, at the end of the day I figure the $70 million could be far better spent. |
B.M. (505) | ||
| 433540 | 2006-03-02 03:58:00 | All this suggests to me that the margin of error must be horrific. Sufficient to make any conclusions impossible surely.Most people I know fill them in accurately (but I would imagine you are correct about the margin of error). It is an important part of future planning and the people fussing about the race question really need to get over it. If you don't fill them out accurately it is your loss because you will be under represented. For example, say you belong to a group that is known for getting some sort of sickness that others don't get, those that use the census to plan will think there are far less of you and will base their plans on that figure... | maccrazy (6741) | ||
| 433541 | 2006-03-02 06:29:00 | But given that the margin of error for political polls and TV viewing is 3-5% taken from a sample (so I understand) of about the size of a thousand then I imagine the margin of error over 4 mill would be much less. | mark c (247) | ||
| 433542 | 2006-03-02 07:19:00 | It is an important part of future planning and the people fussing about the race question really need to get over it. If you don't fill them out accurately it is your loss because you will be under represented. For example, say you belong to a group that is known for getting some sort of sickness that others don't get, those that use the census to plan will think there are far less of you and will base their plans on that figure... Health funding is not race based. End of discussion on health and sickness. So what exactly will this census tell officialdom when up to 75% of the population falls into the one 'ethnic' category (other than the obvious). Don't believe me? Look it up. (www.stats.govt.nz) As for comments like 'get over it'. What is it with this forum where if someone has a differing opinion they either have to get over it or are tagged as whingers? This is part of having a debate / discussion. I'm yet to see you put forward a valid reason as to why we shouldn't have a greater analysis of the 'NZ Eurpoean' category. I see others also adopt the same approach I take to ethnicity - e.g. the number of Celts increased 279% in from 1991 to 2001. Based on your argument the health funders had better start planning for increased medical procedures for diseases particular to Celts! As for those Assyrians, they increased 218% in the same period - better watch out! Seeing as your the expert, when does a country qualify as an ethnicity? |
andrew93 (249) | ||
| 433543 | 2006-03-02 07:35:00 | No andrew93, it does matter for epidemiologists. If there was a disease peculiar to parts of Ireland then to know the number and whereabouts of the celtic-derived immigrant population in NZ is important. That's just one example. The amount of time "new Zealanders" (WooHoo won't get into that) have spent in AIDs infested areas of Africa in the last six months also matters. And on and on. Yes I am interested to know what percentage of dwellings in NZ have internet access. And before someone says "Well you can get all this from the ISPS." Well sure you can like the govt is going to make itself popular by demanding of the ISPs all their stats. |
mark c (247) | ||
| 433544 | 2006-03-02 08:01:00 | But given that the margin of error for political polls and TV viewing is 3-5% taken from a sample (so I understand) of about the size of a thousand then I imagine the margin of error over 4 mill would be much less. Not at all. The 'representative sample' of a population has a margin of error based on the size of the sample and historical precedent. The census "margin of error' is different. This has to cope with spoiled/misleading/contradictory/troublesome/idiotic/zero responses. |
mark c (247) | ||
| 433545 | 2006-03-02 08:28:00 | Health funding is not race based . End of discussion on health and sickness . Probably not the best example, but you get the point . :) From the Census site: Comparing census information over time shows planners how the country is changing and allows them to predict how it will change in the future . [ . . . ] Your local council uses census information to decide when to build new roads, how best to provide public transport systems, where to place recreational facilities such as parks or community centres, and generally to plan to meet your community's needs . I'm yet to see you put forward a valid reason as to why we shouldn't have a greater analysis of the 'NZ Eurpoean' category . I guess I just don't see the point . It seems like a very simple question to me with a very simple answer . If your ancestors come from Europe then you are NZ European . :2cents: Others see it differently, thus this thread, and that's fine . :) |
maccrazy (6741) | ||
| 433546 | 2006-03-02 11:16:00 | But given that the margin of error for political polls and TV viewing is 3-5% taken from a sample (so I understand) of about the size of a thousand then I imagine the margin of error over 4 mill would be much less.Not at all. The 'representative sample' of a population has a margin of error based on the size of the sample and historical precedent. The census "margin of error' is different. This has to cope with spoiled/misleading/contradictory/troublesome/idiotic/zero responses. Eh? Did you just disagree with yourself? |
roddy_boy (4115) | ||
| 433547 | 2006-03-02 19:07:00 | By contrast, to be racist is to categorise and apply pre-determined prejudices to ethnic individuals.I stand corrected. | KiwiTT_NZ (233) | ||
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