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Thread ID: 66870	2006-03-09 10:35:00	"Sunday" TV to look at broadband this week	Laura (43)	PC World Chat

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437377	2006-03-12 23:58:00	One hopes T's tectonic plates are being factored in by Telecom,I'll bet they have forgotten that. I suppose in depends if there actuary is depressed or not. ;)	Cicero (40)
437378	2006-03-13 03:12:00	Very sensible stuff from Ninja and Terry. Legod - I have just read the NBR article and learned nothing. It is simply a lengthy 4 page attack on Telecom written by a biased editorialising journalist. There was a tiny side-piece about business but just like TVNZ, no details. Good journalists set out the facts and ask uncomfortable questions, leaving the reader to draw their own conclusions. For what it is worth, I agreed with some of the article but kept looking for the counterarguments. There are always two sides. There actually are good arguments for broadband coverage to benefit the economy but the $5 billion quoted seems ludicrous. Businesses which deal with CAD/CAM design need it and there will be new businesses arise which don't exist today. But remember that Trademe succeeded despite dial-up and data caps.	Winston001 (3612)
437379	2006-03-13 04:06:00	5 billion is about 5% of our GDP The internet won't do jack to increase GDP by 5%, just more misunderstood statistics i guess.	DangerousDave (697)
437380	2006-03-13 04:12:00	It is 79 cents (incl GST !). This is the same price it was 20 years ago when mobiles first came out ! You are obviously using Direct dial telecom for your phone calls, why not support progress and choose a toll supplier that will only charge you $0.40c? But then again that is still expensive compared to the rest of the world. There are many to choose from!	MikeHP (8910)
437381	2006-03-13 23:42:00	What I want decent broadband in NZ for (for business) is: 1) Landonline (citrix metaframe application) In 2007 (I think) landonline will be the only way to lodge plans in new zealand. This means every land surveyor, real estate agent (probably) and law office that deals with legal plans (almost all of them) will need access. As part of the business I work in we have to connect to landonline, and in several areas the DSL service provided by telecom is just unusable. 2) Remote Assistance/Management (RDP) I have to help people all around the country fix stuff (often in small offices) remote assistance is great. While jetstream is better than dial up, the difference between helping someone on DSL with a 128K upload, and helping someone on a WISP with 512K (and better latency/packet loss) is just night and day. 3) Audio (VoIP) I would love to be able to use DSL to join the PBXs of our remote offices to our central PBX using VoIP. However we can't say for sure that they won't run over their data cap, and end up being throttled down to nothing, so we can't do it. 4) Video Conferences Once again upload speeds and data caps make it impossible to use this for our smaller offices, the economics are destroyed.. however it costs telecom almost nothing, as none of the traffic here is international. 5) Data rollouts This is probably less than usual, however we have some large 5-7GB GIS data sets that are updated and need to be passed to each office once a month, at the moment we are sending sets of DVDs around. The only thing stopping me from deploying this through the network is telecoms data caps. Once again, national traffic, almost no cost. I hope that this answers some of the "what would we faster broadband for as a business" questions. This is all stuff I want to do today, right now.. let alone the things I might think of doing, should we have solid cheap broadband all the time. -Qyiet	qyiet (6730)
437382	2006-03-13 23:59:00	Hi qyiet. Very interesting. Those are the sorts of details the layman needs to help make sense of the various demands being made. Thanks.	Scouse (83)
437383	2006-03-14 00:09:00	I'll echo that, good solid applications for high speed broadband up and down and no caps. But did anyone hear the character (dare I say idiot?) on National Radio Morning Report early this morning, he claimed that the economy would receive a boost from higher speed broadband supplied to schools because schoolchildren could learn faster, and hence boost the countries education ?????????	Terry Porritt (14)
437384	2006-03-14 00:50:00	What I want decent broadband in NZ for (for business) is: 1) Landonline (citrix metaframe application) In 2007 (I think) landonline will be the only way to lodge plans in new zealand. This means every land surveyor, real estate agent (probably) and law office that deals with legal plans (almost all of them) will need access. As part of the business I work in we have to connect to landonline, and in several areas the DSL service provided by telecom is just unusable. 2) Remote Assistance/Management (RDP) I have to help people all around the country fix stuff (often in small offices) remote assistance is great. While jetstream is better than dial up, the difference between helping someone on DSL with a 128K upload, and helping someone on a WISP with 512K (and better latency/packet loss) is just night and day. 3) Audio (VoIP) I would love to be able to use DSL to join the PBXs of our remote offices to our central PBX using VoIP. However we can't say for sure that they won't run over their data cap, and end up being throttled down to nothing, so we can't do it. 4) Video Conferences Once again upload speeds and data caps make it impossible to use this for our smaller offices, the economics are destroyed.. however it costs telecom almost nothing, as none of the traffic here is international. 5) Data rollouts This is probably less than usual, however we have some large 5-7GB GIS data sets that are updated and need to be passed to each office once a month, at the moment we are sending sets of DVDs around. The only thing stopping me from deploying this through the network is telecoms data caps. Once again, national traffic, almost no cost. I hope that this answers some of the "what would we faster broadband for as a business" questions. This is all stuff I want to do today, right now.. let alone the things I might think of doing, should we have solid cheap broadband all the time. -Qyiet Good stuff Qyiet and exactly what we are looking for. I'll start a fresh thread for more ideas. So far as Landonline is concerned, we used dialup for a couple of years and it was a pain. Now on Jetstream it is fine but the problems we experience are at the LINZ end - nothing to do with broadband.	Winston001 (3612)
437385	2006-03-14 00:55:00	I work in the industry, I despise Telecom as much as anyone does, but Theresa Gattung made a pretty solid point regarding other providers rolling out gear around the country. Hell even with dialup, most ISP's only have their own gear in a few main centres and rely on Telecom/Telstra to cover the rest - the cost of investment is a lot bigger for ADSL/ADSL2, and the return/margins are a lot less than on dialup. None of the ISP's in New Zealand, I don't even think TelstraClear would or could blanket the country with ADSL if there was to be LLU. They'd service the high denstiy populated middle-upper class exchanges, and then slowly move out as the equipment eventually returned on investment. But I highly doubt they'd be putting DSLAMs in Ruatoria or $other_small_town for a long time yet - look at Telstra Cable in Wellington - they haven't even managed to cover the whole city and they are nowhere near recouping the cost, not even the wireless providers can do it and the infrastructure cost there is exponentially lower. There's a lot of bravado about this issue from vocal ISPs, but I highly doubt any ISP having the cash or inclination to stitch up a network that has even 80% coverage of NZ. A lot of the marketers touting LLU LLU!! and even more so the consumer level people (think posters from here) who just voice that LLU is the only way to go and it'll invoke huge competition don't understand all the issues - it's not going to be a bread price war again. It also pays to think about the capacity of the Southern Cross Cable - if that entire fibre loom was lit, it's only 480Gbps - that's 245,000 2Mb connections, or if iHug had their way with ASDL2+ 20,400 24Mb ADSL 2+ connections (of course all running full speed) before the SCC is maxed out. Worth considering the value of domestic content as more and more NZ websites are hosted in the US, and fewer ISP's engage in domestic peering. The more we keep here, the less we have to go internationally for.Agree 100%. If LLU became a reality, I'm picking we would see the end of the smaller broadband providers (Quicksilver, Actrix, maybe even Slingshot). We may see investment etc from major U.S or Asian players trying to break into the N.Z. market, but there would have to be a return. It was also suggested that movie makers may benefit from N.Z. having a better broadband service.. but this idea was refuted. I think it will actually benefit the movie makers and some N.Z companies.. WETA would be one of them. They have made a name for themselves internationally now, and N.Z production companies are also becoming better known through movies like LOTR,Narnia, etc.	Myth (110)
437386	2006-03-14 01:34:00	I think it will actually benefit the movie makers and some N.Z companies.. WETA would be one of them. They have made a name for themselves internationally now, and N.Z production companies are also becoming better known through movies like LOTR,Narnia, etc. Maybe some of the film makers and Weta already have much better relationships with Telecom than some ISPs. P Jackson had remote links to some of the sets of LOTR and Weta have most of their computing power remotely hosted in a Telecom building in central Wellington. That must entail some serious data links.	PaulD (232)
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