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| Thread ID: 67054 | 2006-03-15 19:12:00 | Diesel Car - Yes or no? | Mike (15) | PC World Chat |
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| 438431 | 2006-03-19 05:42:00 | IMHO it's failure to keep left that causes crashes, not speed. i have to agree. you look at all most of the crashes around here (people crash and die around here fairly regulary) a lot of them is simply failure to keep left and not reading the road. big 4X4's can be twitchy, a local mechanic was behind one that for absolutly no reason what so ever went sideways on a straight road. when the get loose they are near impossible to get back under control. (btw i suspect that vechile lost traction on one wheel and the diff lock kicked in sending it sideways. big fat tires on loose metal roads are not a good combo) i know peole who hate driving big 4x4's on wet roads. they can be tricky to drive, the big AT tires don't slide, they just give. you drive a bit faster with big grippy tires but when they just 'give' in the wet, combined with poor handling, the vechile can just snap sideways. |
tweak'e (69) | ||
| 438432 | 2006-03-19 05:49:00 | You all don't supose the extra speed makes it a tad difficult to keep left or to stop before impact? As for 4WD's, they handle just fine, Unskilled driving is the fault of the driver, perhaps spoilt by modern cars, And I doubt the vast majority of people would have the skills to control a slide no matter what sort of tyres they were driving on. hell, Most people who have taken up dring in the last 5 to 10 years don't even know how to drive a manual gearbox, let alone guide a unweildy vechile through a goat track in the rain. God help us all if they hit a deisel slick or sone black ice. |
Metla (12) | ||
| 438433 | 2006-03-19 06:01:00 | And I doubt the vast majority of people would have the skills to control a slide no matter what sort of tyres they were driving on. argghhh! they should all do. even in the city, try driveing around oil slick city streets without getting it loose. criky i go sliding around on the road almost every day! 4WD's handle ok.....on nice straight flat roads! start throwing them around twisty corners at high speed really shows up the difference between a sports car and 4WD. |
tweak'e (69) | ||
| 438434 | 2006-03-19 06:31:00 | Is it possible that many of those who comment adversely on 4 wheel drives have never driven one? Some of the emotional comments are far from fact. A point of interest is that my "4 x 4" actually runs in 2 wheel drive for 75-80% of the time. And always on tar seal. | Scouse (83) | ||
| 438435 | 2006-03-19 06:33:00 | If you are driving a 4WD to the point it becomes unstable then you are being an idiot and shouldn't be driving a car either.Granted, stupidity can not be blamed on the choice of vehicle, so i see your point, however, if one has to throw a vehicle round a corner, or any sudden turn because emergency stopping is impractical, i for one would prefer it to be something with a LOW C.O.G. | personthingy (1670) | ||
| 438436 | 2006-03-19 06:36:00 | drive em on and off road, 2 wheel drive and 4 wheel drive. the MT tires are worth their weight in gold :) | tweak'e (69) | ||
| 438437 | 2006-03-19 07:02:00 | 4WD's handle ok.....on nice straight flat roads! start throwing them around twisty corners at high speed really shows up the difference between a sports car and 4WD. Again, Its not the fault of the 4wd, Its the fault of the driver. I can push a "sports" car past its limit and crash it, no problem, Its not the cars fault that I crashed. Sure, the limits of a 4wd are completely different, But its the drivers fault if they don't know how to handle them. Not the wagon. By your arument every truck accident could be attributed to the fact a truck doesn't handle like a car, Or what about a Bus?, the last bus I drove handled and drove beatifully, yet still handled like a bus and not a sports car, and had to be driven like a bus.... |
Metla (12) | ||
| 438438 | 2006-03-19 07:58:00 | Again, Its not the fault of the 4wd, Its the fault of the driver . I can push a "sports" car past its limit and crash it, no problem, Its not the cars fault that I crashed . Sure, the limits of a 4wd are completely different, But its the drivers fault if they don't know how to handle them . Not the wagon . By your arument every truck accident could be attributed to the fact a truck doesn't handle like a car, Or what about a Bus?, the last bus I drove handled and drove beatifully, yet still handled like a bus and not a sports car, and had to be driven like a bus . . . . exactly which why i had actually said "however with all that said the single biggest problem with 4x4's is the drivers who drive them like cars . drive them like a 4x4 and they are fine but its a whole different story if you drive them like a car . " people buy 4x4 cause they handle ok and are "safe" etc when infact they are not as safe or handle as well as they think they do . they are often pitched as "drives like a car" to buyers . just like "4x4 or all wheel drive is safer" . for eg the comment posted here already "My Prado with full-time 4wd is better to drive than a car" . i think people (exspecially boy racer types) get road holding and good handling mixed up . comman mistake, putting big sticky tires on to make up for poor handling . same thing with 4x4's, large weight and big tires means it sits well on the road (easy to drive) but its not good handling . |
tweak'e (69) | ||
| 438439 | 2006-03-19 08:49:00 | Problem is, how does each individual driver get to know his/her limits when they are not permitted to lose traction? New laws make it illegal to spin one's wheels - indeed this can result in confiscation of the car. Not every new driver can afford to hire a race track for the day, neither do they all have access to a farm where they can get loose and learn what happens. I'm stunned at the lack of driving skills. If a person is told that a certain type of vehicle is "safer" often enough, they'll believe it until they crash. Truck and bus drivers do have to pass a harder test and hopefully have better skills, altho' some school bus drivers sometimes scare me. Our car licence test is a joke! No skills required at all, simply obey road signs, follow instructions, remember what happened on the last intersection and you'll pass. My friend didn't even have to parallel park her car, nor do a hill start. A shocking driver, she passed easily. Anyway, I've gone way OT here, but enjoyed this discussion anyway, thanks. |
kakapo (5362) | ||
| 438440 | 2006-03-19 09:09:00 | Problem is, how does each individual driver get to know his/her limits when they are not permitted to lose traction? i thought it was you couldn't deliberatly spin the tires for the purpose of noise or smoke. you can't drive around auckland streets in rush hour in the wet without spinning a tire a little bit. try hill startson hugh wyat(cuse speeling) drive for eg. one time you NEED 4x4 on tarseal (which is not a good thing to do). country roads..you get to practice every day ;) |
tweak'e (69) | ||
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