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Thread ID: 67026	2006-03-14 17:08:00	phone text bullying......	drcspy (146)	PC World Chat

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438117	2006-03-16 07:58:00	it is too late once they get beyond primary school because it is difficult to dedicate enough time to effect the changes. We will never be rich, but I would like to think that we have added two reasonably good citizens to our society. Cheers Billy 8-{) Thank you for your thoughts on this. Well thought out and expressed. Do you have any thoughts on reincarnation by any chance. In the event you actually believe in this I want to revisit this world as your son in my next life. I wish all parents had similar ideas to the ones you give in your post. Good luck for the future.	Sweep (90)
438118	2006-03-16 08:25:00	No-one here seems to realise that in nearly every school cellphones are banned, at least during classtime. There is a law about exceeding the speed limit too. This does not mean that people obey. Drugs are banned too for example. All this means nothing without enforcement and policing. In my opinion the schools are not there to be parents or police. I do think that the schools are there to educate and while doing that function they may see that Jack or Jane are falling behind others in their group. If I was teaching that class I would not hesitate to notify parents if that was the case. If I saw evidence of bruising or lacerations not explained by falls and it was happening on a regular basis I would be more likely to call the police. However, if teaching at the school I would have to follow guidelines set down would I not? Same at work today. "Do it my way or hit the highway." Peer pressure at schools is difficult for the average child to overcome as well. If you are different and want to learn there is a fair chance you will get a label of teachers pet.	Sweep (90)
438119	2006-03-16 08:29:00	There is a law about exceeding the speed limit too. This does not mean that people obey. Drugs are banned too for example. All this means nothing without enforcement and policing. I know this. I was merely pointing out the fact that cellphones are banned in most schools because a lot of people were mentioning this a solution.	imarubberducky (7230)
438120	2006-03-16 08:56:00	I'm emulating you Billy and agree with your views. The problem with physical punishment is that it is negative and limited. You can only hit a child so many times before it becomes normal and ineffective. So you have to hit harder and more often. However you'll have a child with a growing anger problem and who might just hate you. It isn't easy to resist smacking. But I've found that dealing with bad behaviour calmly (yeah right!) at an early stage and withdrawing privileges is very effective. Also rewarding good behaviour with a treat works wonders. I'm against smacking and support a change to the law because some parents genuinely believe that bashing their kids with electric cords, rolls of wallpaper, and fence pickets is ok. So what priviledges would you withdraw from a three year old child? What priviledge do you think He/She has got at that age? In my opinion he/she has the right to food, shelter, education and the love of the parents. Would you withdraw any one of these and if so why? My father would give me a hiding with his belt from time to time but I am still here and never did drugs apart from alcohol. Never got to prison because when I broke some windows the local copper caught me and took me home to Dad. The police do not appear to have much of an option these days. They have no real discretion as I did when I worked for the Ministry of Transport from 1975 - 1980. I am for the odd smack but I would not condone abuse due to anger.	Sweep (90)
438121	2006-03-16 09:01:00	I know this. I was merely pointing out the fact that cellphones are banned in most schools because a lot of people were mentioning this a solution. So could you tell me how we ENFORCE banning of cellphones in school? The immediate answer would to have an authority to search. Will this work?	Sweep (90)
438122	2006-03-16 09:41:00	So could you tell me how we ENFORCE banning of cellphones in school? The immediate answer would to have an authority to search. Will this work? That would not go down well	Greven (91)
438123	2006-03-16 09:52:00	The best solution is not to give out mobile numbers to people that you dont trust...	Mr Wetzyl (362)
438124	2006-03-16 10:06:00	teenage girls can be quite adept at social engineering even if they wouldn't know what you are talking about if you mentioned it. I'd imagine that the person being bullied didn't give their number to the bully.	Greven (91)
438125	2006-03-16 10:55:00	Doctor Phil McGraw, of the Dr . Phil TV Show, had an excellent episode on how to stamp out school bullying . If you don't know about him, here are his details . . drphil . com/shows/page/bio/" target="_blank">www . drphil . com He sent his son Jay to the Barbara Bush Middle School in Irving, Texas to talk to students, teachers and parents about what they can do to stop bullying in their school . They eventually made pledges for all to sign . To make this sort of program work you need a fully committed person who can work with students, staff, and parents, and who is capable of getting them all involved and excited about the plan to totally rid their school of bullying in any form . Jay McGraw managed to do that and at the end of the TV program it showed the pupils rolling out a very long strip of paper with all of the signatures on it . On a negative note I guess it would be easy to let things slip after the initial enthusiasm, as what probably happens to many Neighbourhood support groups, however being such an important issue for the school, an annual review could be instigated to keep it up to date and actively working . If bullies know that the whole school is against it and that everyone is watching for and giving support to those getting bullied, it leaves them rather isolated in their actions . As Mikebartnz said above, 'just about all bullies are also cowards when they don't have the support of their mates' . Here are some details of the pledges etc . . . . . . . Dr . Phil encourages parents, students and teachers to launch anti-bullying campaigns in schools across the country, much like the one launched at the Barbara Bush Middle School . . . and to . . . make copies, distribute, and honor the pledge! — Anti-Bullying Pledge for Students — Anti-Bullying Pledge for Parents — Anti-Bullying Pledge for teachers & Faculty ------------------------------ Anti-Bullying Pledge - Students ------------------------------ We the students of ______________________________ agree to join together to stamp out bullying at our school . We believe that everybody should enjoy our school equally, and feel safe, secure and accepted regardless of color, race, gender, popularity, athletic ability, intelligence, religion and nationality . Bullying can be pushing, shoving, hitting, and spitting, as well as name calling, picking on, making fun of, laughing at, and excluding someone . Bullying causes pain and stress to victims and is never justified or excusable as "kids being kids," "just teasing" or any other rationalization . The victim is never responsible for being a target of bullying . By signing this pledge, we the students agree to: Value student differences and treat others with respect . Not become involved in bullying incidents or be a bully . Be aware of the school's policies and support system with regard to bullying . Report honestly and immediately all incidents of bullying to a faculty member . Be alert in places around the school where there is less adult supervision such as bathrooms, corridors, and stairwells . Support students who have been or are subjected to bullying . Talk to teachers and parents about concerns and issues regarding bullying . Work with other students and faculty, to help the school deal with bullying effectively . Encourage teachers to discuss bullying issues in the classroom . Provide a good role model for younger students and support them if bullying occurs . Participate fully and contribute to assemblies dealing with bullying . I acknowledge that whether I am being a bully or see someone being bullied, if I don't report or stop the bullying, I am just as guilty . Signed by: _______________________________________ Print name: _______________________________________ Date:__________________ ---------------------------- Anti-Bullying Pledge - Faculty ---------------------------- We the faculty of ______________________________ agree to join together to stamp out bullying at our school . We believe that everybody should enjoy our school equally, and feel safe, secure and accepted regardless of color, race, gender, popularity, athletic ability, intelligence, religion and nationality . Bullying can be pushing, shoving, hitting, and spitting, as well as name calling, picking on, making fun of, laughing at, and excluding someone . Bullying causes pain and stress to victims and is never justified or excusable as "kids being kids," "just teasing" or any other rationalization . The victim is never responsible for being a target of bullying . By signing this pledge, we the school and faculty agree to: Develop a clear school policy on bullying and display it prominently in classrooms and around the school . Train faculty in appropriate handling of incidents . Develop or adopt a curriculum that educates students about bullying . Teach students about less obvious forms of bullying like gossiping and exclusion . Discuss pro-active anti-bullying measures (such as having lunch with a student who has been excluded in the past) . Establish support systems for pupils involved in incidents such as peer counselling and mediation . Establish a system to support and inform parents when incidents of bullying occur . Offer counselling to students who bully . Ensure an atmosphere where students feel safe reporting incidents of bullying and confident they will be dealt with and not ignored . Report all incidents of bullying immediately to the principal . When an incident is reported all students involved will be given the opportunity to give their version of the incident . Put in place sanctions for bullying such as verbal warnings, removal from a classroom or school grounds, a verbal or written apology to the victim, a parent teacher meeting, and detention or expulsion for repeat offenders . Monitor cases of persistent of bullying and be fully informed of all incidents and their progress . Signed by: _______________________________________ Print name: _______________________________________ Date:__________________ ---------------------------- Anti-Bullying Pledge - Parents ---------------------------- We the parents of ______________________________ agree to join together to stamp out bullying at our school . We believe that everybody should enjoy our school equally, and feel safe, secure and accepted regardless of color, race, gender, popularity, athletic ability, intelligence, religion and nationality . Bullying can be pushing, shoving, hitting, and spitting, as well as name calling, picking on, making fun of, laughing at, and excluding someone . Bullying causes pain and stress to victims and is never justified or excusable as "kids being kids," "just teasing" or any other rationalization . The victim is never responsible for being a target of bullying . By signing this pledge, we the parents agree to: 1 . Keep themselves and their children informed and aware of school bullying policies . 2 . Work in partnership with the school to encourage positive behavior, valuing differences and promoting sensitivity to others . 3 . Discuss regularly with their children their feelings about school work, friendships and relationships . 4 . Inform faculty of changes in their children's behavior or circumstances at home that may change a child's behavior at school . 5 . Alert faculty if any bullying has occurred . Signed by: _______________________________________ Print name: _______________________________________ Date:__________________ --------------------------------------------------------------------- PS There is a lot of information on the web if you search for 'bullying in schools' or similar .	xxll (5902)
438126	2006-03-16 20:58:00	So what priviledges would you withdraw from a three year old child? What priviledge do you think He/She has got at that age? In my opinion he/she has the right to food, shelter, education and the love of the parents. Would you withdraw any one of these and if so why? I am for the odd smack but I would not condone abuse due to anger. Good question and it ain't easy. However with a 3 year old I'd describe the behaviour which was unsatisfactory and give them 10 - 15 minutes time out. Or withdraw their favourite TV program provided it was going to be on soon. Significantly, the child would not be described as bad. Instead the behaviour would be described. The distinction is important - at all ages. I've only learned this by going to parenting courses and reading various books on child rearing. My initial instinct was to shout and smack. But the new psychological stuff does work. There is a time for a smack - it is an instant sharp lesson not to do something such as rush out into the street or bite dad. Purists would say no smacking even then but IMHO a rarely given smack isn't harmful and is still effective. The trouble is that some parents have no concept of when to stop.	Winston001 (3612)
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