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Thread ID: 67623	2006-04-01 20:08:00	Russel Crowe Smoking.	JJJJJ (528)	PC World Chat

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442914	2006-04-02 06:06:00	Simple questrion for all the non-anti-smoking people. Are you OIK then with people smoking in your car and house. Do you have smoker freinds who come to visit and you greet them with an ashtray?Car - no, unless they have the windows open House - Yes. I keep ashtrays above the fireplace, and in the toilet. My flatmate smokes so i have to live with it anyway to some extent. No-one smokes in my bedroom/office. that's a big big no no.	personthingy (1670)
442915	2006-04-02 07:58:00	I humbly appeal to all of youse reason . :cool: Do you think it is better for a human's lungs to be in a room of 'fresh' (OK no motorway air, have to ban that) air or tobacco smoke? :confused: Me . I'd opt for the 'fresh' . Of course it's better . I think the issue is getting a bit sidetracked about loss of liberty and rugged individualism and being disinclined to totalitarianism . Who doesn't move away from the smoke from the barbie? :thumbs: (Uh . . . gas . Well we have wood fired ones around here . )	mark c (247)
442916	2006-04-02 08:42:00	Who doesn't move away from the smoke from the barbie? :thumbs: Me . I stand there breathing in that delicious titree smell .	pctek (84)
442917	2006-04-02 09:56:00	That's because the smoke is warm and you live waaaaay down there :D	mark c (247)
442918	2006-04-02 10:48:00	Me. I stand there breathing in that delicious titree smell. Good idea for cooking on the Titree. I have done this many times in the bush over an open fire. I have smoked ciggies since I was 16. My Father smoked most of his life but gave up at about 50 years old and lived until he was 71. My Mother did not smoke and died at 84. My Grandmother smoked until age 91 and as a child I went down to the shop for her and bought 4 X 20 per day. Still alive here at 63 and I have a ciggie in the ashtray as I type this. Once upon a time I would go to a restaurant and eat with friends. You would always ask before lighting a ciggie after dinner. Mostly I will not smoke in other peoples houses now. I do have a friend who does not smoke but he offers an ashtray when I walk in.	Sweep (90)
442919	2006-04-02 17:53:00	Sweep. Good on you. That's two of us.	JJJJJ (528)
442920	2006-04-02 20:22:00	That's because the smoke is warm and you live waaaaay down there :D Hah! Haven't had a BBQ here yet, seeing as I've only been here a few weeks. That was in Auckland - where its stinking hot.	pctek (84)
442921	2006-04-02 21:23:00	OK so the fragrannce of ti tree on the fire is nice . I cook on a fire every night and when a bit falls onto the hearth and smokes up the room I go into emergency and shovel it back in holding my breath and then open all the doors to get the smoke out . As would anyone else . Like I said before this has become about freedom of choice not smoking . Freedom of choice is fine, but like the the arch-libertarians say above, not if it gets in my face . Smoking sucks . My father started at 14 and kept going till he died at 84 . Other people non-smokers die of lung cancer much younger . So sure the correlation isn't exact . What is? I'm no medi-expert but I think putting superheated smoke into your lungs isn't as good as a breath of fresh air and I'm a smoker .	mark c (247)
442922	2006-04-02 23:12:00	♫♪♫♪ The music CD that is a must for every smoker Smoke Smoke Smoke That Cigarette (www.amazon.com)♫♪♫♪	Terry Porritt (14)
442923	2006-04-03 09:01:00	Even the most addicted smokers who defend their right to stuff up their own health can tell after many years that it is doing just that. (I speak from experience here) In fact, nowadays most smokers - apart from the kids just trying it out - would rather be non-smokers, even if they won't admit it. That'd not only save considerable cash, but hopefully halt the deteriorating lung functions (breathlessness) plus whatever else unseen it's doing to the heart & the rest of the body. But even admitting that it's bad for you doesn't necessarily help in giving up. Nicotine has been described as more addictive than some hard drugs - for some people. That's because we're still a product of our genes, both mentally & physically - and we don't know which ones we've individually inherited. Some of my ancestors seemed over-supplied with the "addictive personality" gene. Alcohol was the choice of several. Others who died of TB had weak lungs. So it's not a good combination... But it's also a lottery, so examples like " lived to 100 on 40 cigarettes a day" show merely luck in which genes they inherited. I could point to a maternal grandfather who lived to 92. His father had lived to 90. But his wife died at 59. Her father was 44 and her mother 54. Smoking wasn't an issue for any of them. On my father's side, they both smoked & drank. Yet he died at 75, while my mother was only 66, had never smoked & took a drink only on family occasions. So you could make any statistics you want out of that, as they both died of cancer, unrelated - in theory, anyway. To make it easier to select what you want, my father's 2 brothers died at 39 (lungs) and 94 (old age?). Both had smoked for years. So we've all got examples to quote either way. None of that helps in what I think are the major smoking problems today. (1) Non-smokers need to realise that this can be a serious addiction. Smokers aren't necessarily being weak-willed just because someone else "gave up without much trouble." (2) Nagging doesn't work (And reformed ex-smokers can be the worst at this) Television programmes about the evils of smoking prompt an immediate reach for the packet, Addicted smokers will stop when either their own inner voice tells them it's time or they get a big enough medical scare to do it. (3) We should all do everything we can to discourage young people from starting, before addiction sets in. I've no magic bullet for that, knowing how we're invincible then, so "it won't happen to me," but at least the movie glamour has gone nowadays. This seems to have turned into a lengthy diatribe, which wasn't meant at the start. But the subject is one I'm wrestling with at present.	Laura (43)
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