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Thread ID: 67856	2006-04-07 22:12:00	DVD Shrink Qs	Strommer (42)	PC World Chat

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444900	2006-04-08 04:28:00	Its like this: occasionally when burning a disk unsuccessfully, an DVD Shrink message says the burning failed but the files remain in the temporay folder ready to be burned later. But if I copy the files over to Nero and burn them to a disk, it cannot be viewed on the TV. Somehow DVD Shrink must change something when burning the files onto a DVD but I cannot figure out what it is. Sorry I can't help Steve but I've founding browsing the Shrink etc forums very helpful. All I know is that by ignoring Nero and using the other software simply as a recording, and then burning program, it seems to work 100% so far. Except with scratched discs. :badpc: I use Imation DVD-R and if I'm nervous, DVD-RW which the TV player seems happy to recognise.	Winston001 (3612)
444901	2006-04-08 05:03:00	Thanks Winston. Looks like a lot of reading is ahead of me in the forums. The answer to your first question - yes you can use other burning software. You need to select it when you do "Backup" at which point a window opens for you to select the burning software. When I click on Backup, there is no option for using anything other than Nero, even if I UNtick the box under Preferences (choosing not to allow Nero burning). Clicking on Backup produces a popup window that says "Select Backup Target" and "Select Target Image File", under the second option is a Browse button.... is this where I select a burner other than Nero? It is not clear to me what is meant by "Target". It would seem that the first choice in the window, the one that says "Select Backup Target", should give me the option to burn with another type of burner ("Burn with Nero" is listed there). BTW, the other burner I have is Burn4Free, a freebie as the name says. I've used it with non video media and it works just fine. Greg - thanks for the Wikipedia link.	Strommer (42)
444902	2006-04-08 05:09:00	Bearing in mind the sensitivities of dealing with DVDs I can tell you that this www.doom9.org works at creating ISO files which are readily shrunk by Shrink and "this" then burns the DVD. So you use it before and after Shrink - my system chooses "this" by default. OK, understood (I think). Will use it. More reading to do... Just a simple question about using it along with DVD Shrink: since it is used in the first place, then use Shrink (if necessary to shrink to fit on one DVD), then that program in the last place.... this would mean making the final disk will be a longer process than just using DVD Shrink itself. Is this correct?	Strommer (42)
444903	2006-04-08 07:27:00	ISO is the image of the CD/DVD, basically it's a form of archiving (zipping, rarring, compressing) it into a file that gets stored on your hard drive, you can browse inside this file by using ISO tools. You could say it's a 1:1 copy of the disc, but DVD Shrink alters the DVD size with it's compression, so it's still like a 1:1 copy, but smaller in size. Use this method if you need to use another burning program to write the DVD. ImgBurn is a free program you can use but better to use is DVD Decryptor (illegal because it modifies protection, CSS, Macrovision and Regions) It's so much like a duplicate that most (all should actually except XP's I think) CD/DVD Writing software can handle it and write it back to the CD/DVD as long as the capacity of the Disc will hold it. DVD Shrink is usually used to compress the files down from a DVD9 to a DVD 4.7GB disc so using it should let you know whether it can be sized down enough to fit. Every writing software you're using (maybe except XP's) should be able to handle ISO, just open it up and see if it can burn images, it will tell you what formats it can understand, e.g. nrg, iso, mds, bin/cue... etc which are common image files. Cheers, KK	Kame (312)
444904	2006-04-08 08:58:00	If I remember correctly, Dvd shrink had some problems when using the inbuilt Nero function to burn straight to disc after ripping video files to hard drive, but that was several versions ago now. The advice on the usage guide sites back then was to just disable that function. Why do you rip to ISO? Is it easier to handle? My understanding is to disable the nero option by going Edit> Preferences> FileI/O tab, then untick radio box "enable buring with nero". Then after analysis, and clicking "Backup", under Target Device tab select "hard disc folder" from drop down menu. This will create several small BUP and IFO files , plus about 4 vob files of 1GB in size. Then just use the program of your choise to create a dvd. HTH	Nyuuji (5460)
444905	2006-04-08 12:54:00	If I remember correctly, Dvd shrink had some problems when using the inbuilt Nero function to burn straight to disc after ripping video files to hard drive, but that was several versions ago now. The advice on the usage guide sites back then was to just disable that function. Why do you rip to ISO? Is it easier to handle? My understanding is to disable the nero option by going Edit> Preferences> FileI/O tab, then untick radio box "enable buring with nero". HTH I agree and I've read the same. There were problems with Nero. In fact, earlier versions of Shrink used to burn as well but didn't work too well so the developers recommend DVD Decrypter (since its been named here already) ;) Hey, it works, its free, why mess with a good thing. Ripping to ISO seems to work so personally thats what I would do. Steve - the amount of time will depend upon how much data there is. However in my experience DVD Shrink takes about 5 times as long as DVD Decrypter. Nevertheless the whole process can take 1 1/2 hours although its largely set and forget. Use DVD-RW to start with - just in case. Technically you don't need Decrypter because you aren't removing protection, but it will create the ISO for you and then later do the burning.	Winston001 (3612)
444906	2006-04-08 13:07:00	When I click on Backup, there is no option for using anything other than Nero, even if I UNtick the box under Preferences (choosing not to allow Nero burning). Clicking on Backup produces a popup window that says "Select Backup Target" and "Select Target Image File", under the second option is a Browse button.... is this where I select a burner other than Nero? It is not clear to me what is meant by "Target". It would seem that the first choice in the window, the one that says "Select Backup Target", should give me the option to burn with another type of burner ("Burn with Nero" is listed there). Ok. By happy chance my DVD Shrink is open. In the "Select Backup Target" it says "ISO Image File And Burn With DVD Decrypter". If I open this box by clicking the down arrow at the righthand end, drop down choices open such as using Nero or just saving the image. But the default is to use Decrypter. The "Target Image File" is the ISO just created by Shrink. Finally Steve, it took me a few trys and searches through the forums before I had this sussed when I first started. However these 2 programs are pretty useful and seem to be exactly what you need for your lawful purpose.	Winston001 (3612)
444907	2006-04-08 13:33:00	If you rip to hard drive, and then want to copy it back to DVD, you can't just straight burn it. It has to go back through encoding, where you need the video files to reside in the video_ts folder and the sound files to reside in the audio_ts files. There's only a few burning programs that does this correctly, DVD Shrink, Nero and maybe ImgBurn or DVD Decrypter though I use them for ripping to hard drive, then use shrink for creating either the ISO or burning with one of the tools. Cheers, KK	Kame (312)
444908	2006-04-09 00:08:00	Good point Kame. The writing ISO is different to the ripped ISO - something which isn't immediately obvious but may explain Steve's experience.	Winston001 (3612)
444909	2006-04-09 06:57:00	If you rip to hard drive, and then want to copy it back to DVD, you can't just straight burn it . It has to go back through encoding, where you need the video files to reside in the video_ts folder and the sound files to reside in the audio_ts files . There's only a few burning programs that does this correctly, DVD Shrink, Nero and maybe ImgBurn or DVD Decrypter though I use them for ripping to hard drive, then use shrink for creating either the ISO or burning with one of the tools . Cheers, KK I followed the advice of Sir Speedy or Metla and delete all the audio files, as they are empty anyway . . . and burning a copy onto a dvd is easier if I let Shrink do it for me . It doesn't seem to have that "convert to something it can handle" problem like Nero does . I just tonight burned a file from my storage area called "DVD Shrunks" and if I had to re-encrypt it (I tested it) it would take 4 hours to do . . . but using DVD Shrink to re-author it, took about 17 minutes for a 4 . 39g feature at 8x . I also started to re-WINRAR it and it too would take about 230 minutes . . . not very good . I suggest that you leave the WINRAR files intact on your harddrive if you have room for it from the shrink process . I also leave out all the foreign language junk that just ties up space .	SurferJoe46 (51)
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