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| Thread ID: 68333 | 2006-04-24 23:34:00 | ANZAC Day......... | beetle (243) | PC World Chat |
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| 449203 | 2006-04-25 02:00:00 | It's hardly all about Gallipoli or even WWI Greg, that was merely the birth (so called) of the ANZAC spirit. And, it's hardly about glorifying slaughter, but about remembering people who fought and died for ideals of honour, country and King/Queen (which incidentally, many people no longer understand in the context of the times) but, most importantly ANZAC day was instituted so that returned soldiers could remember and honour their fallen conrades. So, forget your twaddle about statistics and and threats (which were real, ever heard of Samoa, ever heard of a nation(s) dependant on trade and people from Europe?), it's about the personal lives of people who died and those they left. Like it or not, wars have profoundly affected our nation and will continue to do so, it's best to remember that if nothing else. Well said Murray Just as well we did not have too many like Greg and Beetle around at the time lying on their backs waving their legs in the air. It seems to me they don't understand the significance that today has for many people or the reasons why they have the freedom they have today. |
Safari (3993) | ||
| 449204 | 2006-04-25 02:11:00 | Just as well we did not have too many like Greg and Beetle around at the time lying on their backs waving their legs in the air. I bet you wouldn't say that to my face, chicken-liver. And why would you pick on Beetle? Damn arm-chair cowboys like you are pathetic. |
Greg (193) | ||
| 449205 | 2006-04-25 02:12:00 | Huh? Just because i disagree with violence and war im wrong? I may disagree with it, and cannot change what happened, and who can say what i will decide if ever put in that position, hopefully i wont be. Because im sure at the time i would make the right decision, but by saying that Greg and i are not facing reality in an essence means you have tunnel vision. We say we dont agree, but that does not mean when it came to the crunch we would do a runner. I cant alter the past, it preset our future, but what we do from today also presets our future.......our families future, our countries future does it not? (sometimes indirectly) Please dont make assumptions. Please do not make a thread about ANZAC day a slanging match...... its not personal. It is opinions of people, not personal attacks about their failings..... Opinions can be fickle cant they. I admit i do often have opinion that most people would not agree with, but thats me, and i dont take offence when others disagree, with facts, not as personal attacks. And no im not old enuf to know what really went on, I have no past life of horror of living with in or around a war time zone.....so yes i am lucky. But yes i lost close members in my family, it altered many a members life in my family...... changed them, both physically and mentally.....soul destroying..... at times. I will never forget ANZAC day, for what my family did for our country, for what it cost us...... beetle :( |
beetle (243) | ||
| 449206 | 2006-04-25 02:23:00 | Not related to the argument above. I spent my morning at Fencible Manor (a rest home) with the residents there. Most of them were too engrossed in the memorial service shown on the TV than playing games with me, though we did have a brief moment of ball-throwing activity (is an exercise to them). Cheers :) |
Renmoo (66) | ||
| 449207 | 2006-04-25 04:13:00 | Some could say it's all too much song and dance about men who went voluntarily overseas with the intent to slaughter other people who made no threat to NZ's island nation. Along with the thought that far more NZ men died in subsequent wars than did at Gallipolli. My thoughts exactly. And weren't half of those that went to both wars, conscripts? My opinion of anzac day. Had to wait till 12 o'clock to get a loaf of fresh bread. BAH!!!! Slightly off topic. Why are we sending police and army off to the Solomans and Afghanistan and Iraq etc. etc. The police are needed here. Just a case of polititians currying favour from the mighty americans. Who have no business there either. |
JJJJJ (528) | ||
| 449208 | 2006-04-25 08:08:00 | . And, it's hardly about glorifying slaughter, but about remembering people who fought and died for ideals of honour, country and King/Queen (which incidentally, many people no longer understand in the context of the times) but, most importantly ANZAC day was instituted so that returned soldiers could remember and honour their fallen conrades . Like it or not, wars have profoundly affected our nation and will continue to do so, it's best to remember that if nothing else . Um, don't know that I agree with your comment most people don't understand that, but its is hard to get enthused after watching so much of it on History Channel . Ok, the Turks were on the side that lost but a hell of a lot more of them died too . Or are we not supposed to care because they were the enemy at the stage? And people mostly got enthused about going to war in WWI because it was seen as a big adventure - hence all the underage boys that went . At least now with live TV they can't hide the reality as much . And Lest We Forget? HAsn't stopped the human race from slaughtering each other . . . |
pctek (84) | ||
| 449209 | 2006-04-25 08:17:00 | Beetle, I made this poster for Anzac Week last year, thought you might like to see it. imagef1.net.nz |
zqwerty (97) | ||
| 449210 | 2006-04-25 09:56:00 | As the military historian Sir John Keegan has said; "The written history of the world is largely a history of warfare, because the states within which we live came into existence largely through conquest, civil strife, or struggles for independence . " Sad but true . |
Terry Porritt (14) | ||
| 449211 | 2006-04-25 11:41:00 | Slightly off topic. Why are we sending police and army off to the Solomans and Afghanistan and Iraq etc. etc. The police are needed here. Who have no business there either. Because we are human beings first, and New Zealanders second. We owe every other person a duty to protect them. That's what the words community/society mean. Otherwise its anarchy. "Do unto others as you'd have them do unto you". |
Winston001 (3612) | ||
| 449212 | 2006-04-25 18:36:00 | Because we are human beings first, and New Zealanders second. We owe every other person a duty to protect them. That's what the words community/society mean. Otherwise its anarchy. "Do unto others as you'd have them do unto you". We owe nothing to any other country. Who picks the sides we support? And quotes from that work of fiction mean nothing. |
JJJJJ (528) | ||
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