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Thread ID: 68471	2006-04-30 00:56:00	Nuclear power.	Cicero (40)	PC World Chat

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450745	2006-05-04 12:11:00	Any one of the points he raised is sufficient to raise serious doubts about going nuclear power generation in NZ, note, none of them are safety related, and taken all together more or less rules it out Concicely put Terry. Nothing at all to do with it being Nuclear. As to the above suggestion of locating one in Invercargill, it would be of no use. There is no way to get the energy to the rest of the country, the Transmission system is about at peak now. If Comalco closed down, there could be serious constraints getting the Manapouri hydro plant output to the rest of the country where it could be used. People have a problem with new pylon lines as we have seen.	godfather (25)
450746	2006-05-04 12:44:00	I doubt the reason for objecting to nuclear on here is because of size of output. I will do some research on that, Seems strange that they can make reactors for ships,but not for NZ. I would suggest the reason the chap thought the reactor should be put in Invercargill was because he lives in Wellington,safer,just in case.	Cicero (40)
450747	2006-05-04 12:53:00	More on the waste products from Nuclear Reactors: www.nrc.gov and some more objections: www.citizen.org Read the Fatal Flaws Summary pdf if you can't be bothered with the rest.	zqwerty (97)
450748	2006-05-05 00:13:00	More on the waste products from Nuclear Reactors: www.nrc.gov and some more objections: www.citizen.org Read the Fatal Flaws Summary pdf if you can't be bothered with the rest. Good reading, it covers the risks and problems very well, especially the waste disposal problem, and also how in the course of time, management can adopt cavalier attitudes. I doubt the reason for objecting to nuclear on here is because of size of output. I will do some research on that, Seems strange that they can make reactors for ships,but not for NZ....... Always good to do a bit of research Cic. As ever, size does actually matter; - particularly when the set size is a significant proportion of the average power consumption, it's a question of operational control. You just can't willy-nilly turn these things on and off, or just turn them up or down. As for naval reactor systems, we are in a different ball park, cost wise and QA wise, with added fuel processing problems. The infrastructure just doesn't and never will exist in NZ. Here are some links to start you off with your investigations: www.fas.org en.wikipedia.org www.eurekalert.org www.newscientist.com	Terry Porritt (14)
450749	2006-05-05 09:42:00	Well we're never going to make everyone happy: Build nuclear: NO NO NO say the Greenies Build hydro: Farmers don't like it - Project Aqua Build wind: People complain "it doesn't look good" - Eg . Manawatu Build coal: Polluting Build gas/LPG/diesel: Too much pollution, going to run out soon Build solar: Too expensive and inefficient Shut down Comalco: Don't know why, but people also oppose doing that Build new transmission lines to get the power we are ALREADY generating, or future capacity to Auckland: people complain about that too . So it's inevitible that something has to be done . Nuclear is the lesser of all the evils, offering the most postive aspects - compensate the people living in the area sufficiently, and just get on with it . People oppose the building of prisons in their areas, yet they still happen . exactly what i think, except i dont really care for comalco . . . Give me a break . Just build the Nuclear Power Station on one of the many deserted islands we have around NZ . Build a power cable from it and charge up NZ again . It will be secure because any approach would be recorded on radar or if underwater on sonar . Power options: COAL: Cheap, Plentiful Supply, Safe, CO2 emissions, continual impact on environment OIL & GAS: Expensive, Limited Supply, Safe, CO2 emissions, continual impact on environment WATER: Limited Options, Limited Supply, Safe, Clean, one-off impact on environment NUCLEAR: Costly to build, Plentiful Supply, Risky, accident risk to the environment WIND: Cheap, Unregular Supply, Safe, Unsightly, Noisy (get over it) SUN: Cheap, Unregular Supply, Safe, Best used as Water heating for all houses . THERMAL: Cheap, Plentiful Supply, safe, minimal environmental impact and a response from another member stated that long island was a disaster . . . nothing escaped the containment sheild . . . also, i dont know if you read the articles about coal miners dying and CO2 emmision effectively causing huge environmental impact and deaths . so yea, i think nuclear power would be a great thing for all countries to have . i also beleive 'rouge states' are no issue, as if they nuke, they'll be nuked, so on a principle of MAD, they wont do it . terrorists? oh come on! i'm sure a muscular 'american' with an austrian accent will save us . not that NZ is really in danger of terrorist attack . we dont piss anyone off enough . BUT, for new zealand, the event of a proper (chernobyl style) accident, as unlikely and improbable as it may be, even if it is damn near impossible, we dont really have the capacity to recover . as another member said, we dont have enough space while the russians just moved people around . i rekon project aqua should have gone ahead, i'm sick and tired of people holding the ENTIRE NATION back because they like their stretch of farmland . likewise with those pylons and wind farms, GET OVER YOURSELVES! :angry i would infact welcome windfarms, i think they are beautiful structures, and in my area of hobby-blocks there is a constant drone of chainsaws and motorbikes anyway :lol: and back to the topic of nuclear power, bring it on, just put it on an island with some well paid phd's running the thing . i know they might not be keen on living there, but if u pay them, they might agree to do what most people pay hundreds of thousands for: beachside gated itellectual community on tropical island paradise! :D (as for accidents, i'm more worried about what happens if you sink/blow up a nuclear ship/sub - its not exactly unlikely to happen)	motorbyclist (188)
450750	2006-05-05 09:55:00	Our Pyramids The sarcophagus will remain radioactive for at least 100 . 000 years . The age for the pyramids of Egypt is 5,000 to 6,000 years . Each cultural epoch left something to humanity, something immortal, like Judaic epoch left us Bible, Greek culture- philosophy, Romans contributed law and we are leaving Sarcophagus, the construction that going to outlive all other signs of our epoch and may last longer then pyramids . i got that from that chernobyl biker thing ( . angelfire . com/extreme4/kiddofspeed/chapter1 . html" target="_blank">www . angelfire . com) someone linked to before . . . . makes a good point . .	motorbyclist (188)
450751	2006-05-05 10:25:00	Just to get in early I live in Northland and I don't want a nuclear power station up here. If they're so safe build it in Auckland, save on transmission. Nuclear power is another form of nuclear proliferation. It's powerful stuff and very dirty if mismanaged. Will we see any more examples of mismanagement, either maliciously or accidentally? Will you have breakfast? Besides, it's like the planners of a city whose roading is not up to the traffic going interminably "more road! more roads!" PS Very much appreciate the experiences and knowledge many have posted on the subject.	mark c (247)
450752	2006-05-05 11:13:00	- a nuclear power station sounds like a great idea to me and Invercargill would be a fine place to build it. EERRRKKK..............doing my impression of a cranially challenged mullet. But in fact I support nuclear energy sufficently that I'd be happy to see a plant in Invercargill. I've visited a US plant and seen European ones here and there and they really don't frighten me. Those who worry about 100,000 year sarcophagae need to consider the remarkable return of plantlife and insects at Hiroshima, Nagasaki, Trinity Point, and Chernobyl. Modelling suggested these sites would have been barren for at least 100 years but nature has a way of triumphing. As the biologists tell us, life fills every niche on this planet.	Winston001 (3612)
450753	2006-05-06 02:17:00	Just to get in early I live in Northland and I don't want a nuclear power station up here. If they're so safe build it in Auckland, save on transmission. Nuclear power is another form of nuclear proliferation. It's powerful stuff and very dirty if mismanaged. Will we see any more examples of mismanagement, either maliciously or accidentally? Will you have breakfast? Besides, it's like the planners of a city whose roading is not up to the traffic going interminably "more road! more roads!" PS Very much appreciate the experiences and knowledge many have posted on the subject. if chernobyl occurred in auckland, northland would not exactly be the best place to be, within range of fallout and cut off from the rest of the country... and i think more, smarter, better roads and less bus lanes are the way to go with auckland. untill they can get a decent mass transit system, why hold everyone else back? i dont see why they dont promote bikes/mopeds! everyone is one car per person on the motorway, now if everyone was using a bike/moped, we would be using a tenth of the fuel, whilst not creating all the congestion. and sure cars are necessary for lots of people (like tradesmen), but if ur going into an office, you dont need a 3litre turbo V8 thing, and u cant park it either!. my 250cc bike can easily carry a suitcase/laptop, go faster than ur v8, and at approx. 30k per litre its a little over a dollar to get into town, in in rush hour, i can get from newton to lincon rd in 30 minutes on a BAD day, not several hours lol. note that puts my avarage speed somewhat above crawling. and caost of trip slightly above a dollar. i spend $10 a week. my dad, anywhere over $80. we finally convinced mum to let him get a bike, it will pay for itself in a year or two, and he wont lose 200 hours a year to traffic. also, ever had a conversation with other drivers at redlights that werent abusive? ever seen a car on the side of the road and not offered to help? thats whats wrong with auckland drivers, its all me me me. u arent in any real hurry, why not help you fellow man. (and old ladies insist on paying you, and even more if you decline lol) bikers tend to help each other out, and redlight conversations are some of the most interesting (especially when its a chic and u dont realize for the first couple of seconds lol) (if u see a black motorbike with a guy in black gear on the northwestern, dont cut me off unless you want to have a lengthy discussion, i dopnt see the point in slowing me down, with 4 possible routes up the 3 lanes, you wont acheive much blocking one) /rant that got a bit out of hand... and yes, it is good to see some worthy knowledge and experiences.	motorbyclist (188)
450754	2006-05-06 02:22:00	and i hear they have to rebuild that sarcophagus (spelling unknown), as the old one is beginning to crumble because is was built in such a hurry. imagine doing that here, osh, unions, the press, and most importantly osh would go beserk! plus it would take 5 years to get resource consent, by which time it would have deteriorated even further lol	motorbyclist (188)
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