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Thread ID: 68663	2006-05-06 23:29:00	Telecom & LLU - Why will it take so long?	Strommer (42)	PC World Chat

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452774	2006-05-06 23:29:00	Technically, why will it take from 1 to 3 years for LLU - local loop unbundling - to take over? If there are no good technical reasons then what is the point of Telecom dragging its feet for so long? When the announcement was made, I looked at the commentary on TV1 and TV3. I cannot recall who said it, but some big gun said it would be at least until early 2007 and perhaps as long as :angry 3 years before we would see the benefits to internet speeds. I just don't get it. :confused: Sorry if I have missed something in the other LLU threads here. Can someone explain the situation in plain English? Thanks. ....Also.... when real faster cheaper internet arrives (not the recent c**p Telecom has been advertising), won't NZ need a new undersea cable?	Strommer (42)
452775	2006-05-07 00:02:00	Maybe everyone of Telecoms roadside cabinets will have to be rebuilt to physically accomodate every conceivable ISPs equipment and each with their own power supplies ?????????????? There is probably more to LLU than is apparent to us laymen :)	Terry Porritt (14)
452776	2006-05-07 00:20:00	Here are a few things I can think of why it will take so long 1. The Govt will have to set-up /discuss the terms & conditions of the LLU, & if they want to do this correctly, then the Govt will need to talk to all the ISP’s etc… 2. The next thing they will have to do is sort out The Telecom exchanges so ISP’s can put in there own equipment That’s just a few things I can think of on why it will take so long Other PressF1 members should be able to give you more info Also I think PC World is also going to do a story on this, so I think it may be all explanted in there? Hope this helps :)	stu161204 (123)
452777	2006-05-07 00:26:00	....Also.... when real faster cheaper internet arrives (not the recent c**p Telecom has been advertising), won't NZ need a new undersea cable? I don’t think so, as I think you will find ( to what I have read on here & on other forums/ news storeys) The Southern Cross Cable has a lot of space to spear & I think its at the moment not even half used ( or it may be half used) Plus I think you will find there are other cables coming from NZ Hope this helps :)	stu161204 (123)
452778	2006-05-07 00:38:00	....Also.... when real faster cheaper internet arrives (not the recent c**p Telecom has been advertising), won't NZ need a new undersea cable? In all the hot air surrounding LLU, there hasn't been much discussion about how well the Telecom backbone and the international links will cope. Sometimes these links can be expanded with new technology, different modulation of the fibre etc, without having to install new physical links. Maybe that is why Telecom was dragging the chain. The last mile is the bit that other ISPs are talking about but that seems to be duplication of existing equipment just to get more control.	PaulD (232)
452779	2006-05-07 00:47:00	I don’t think so, as I think you will find ( to what I have read on here & on other forums/ news storeys) The Southern Cross Cable has a lot of space to spear & I think its at the moment not even half used ( or it may be half used) The SCC is the only way in or out of New Zealand for data that doesn't involve a satellite. None of the ISP's in New Zealand, I don't even think TelstraClear would or could blanket the country with ADSL if there was to be LLU. They'd service the high density populated middle-upper class exchanges, and then slowly move out as the equipment eventually returned on investment. But I highly doubt they'd be putting DSLAMs in Ruatoria or other small towns for a long time yet - look at Telstra Cable in Wellington - they haven't even managed to cover the whole city and they are nowhere near recouping the cost, not even the wireless providers can do it and the infrastructure cost there is exponentially lower. There's a lot of bravado about this issue from vocal ISPs, but I highly doubt any ISP having the cash or inclination to stitch up a network that has even 80% coverage of NZ. A lot of the marketers touting LLU LLU!! and even more so the consumer level people (think posters from here) who just voice that LLU is the only way to go and it'll invoke huge competition don't understand all the issues - it's not going to be a bread price war again. It also pays to think about the capacity of the Southern Cross Cable - if that entire fibre loom was lit, it's only 480Gbps - that's 245,000 2Mb connections, or if iHug had their way with ASDL2+ 20,400 24Mb ADSL 2+ connections (of course all running full speed) before the SCC is maxed out. www.southerncrosscables.com As to the original poster, not only will the legal side of it take time, the infrastructure side will too. DSLAM's have to be purchased, installed (cabling, UPS, etc), connected to some kind of backhaul network (which at the moment only Telecom has a nationwide backhaul network). Not only that, the ISP's will need someone to go into the exchanges and liven up the ports for their DSL subscribers - they won't have their own staff around the country so will need to set up a relationship with someone like Downer to do the servicing and maintenance and line connections etc. And this is only the tip of the tip of the iceberg here.	ninja (1671)
452780	2006-05-07 01:31:00	Faster downloads and uploads could potentially mean less time spent on line for business users, so hopefully that could have some influence on the capacity of the SCC. However, I forsee data caps and speed limiters remaining to curb the excesses of those who download GBs of data every month "because it's there" and never look at it again. Whatever happens, the market place will be more active and we'll not see too much more of the cynical saturation marketing shown by Telecom over recent months. In fact, it will be interesting to see if they now abort that campaign. Their "faster cheaper broadband" pitch might have persuaded a few more users to shift from dial-up, but it did nothing for the speed of my connection, the price I pay or my 1GB cap. Cheers Billy 8-{)	Billy T (70)
452781	2006-05-07 02:02:00	The SCC is the only way in or out of New Zealand for data that doesn't involve a satellite.Sounds like balls to me... how did NZ connect to the Internet prior to the SCC? (I admit not being an expert in this area)	Greg (193)
452782	2006-05-07 02:15:00	Sounds like balls to me... how did NZ connect to the Internet prior to the SCC? (I admit not being an expert in this area)Satellite. And I believe some long retired itty bitty cable to Aussie. www.wlug.org.nz Perhaps "only realistic way" would be more accurate.	ninja (1671)
452783	2006-05-07 02:55:00	And the Internet was lovely to use when the NZ link was a whole 64 kb/s. Of course it wasn't cluttered up with all the HTTP and MP3 rubbish. :D FTP worked well. Newgroups were locally hosted, so weren't a big Telnet let you log in to overseas computers. (There weren't quite so many users either). If anyone thinks that a buzzword like "LLU" means cheaper, faster, broadband they haven't studied the history of deregulation and the market "reforms".	Graham L (2)
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