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Thread ID: 68646	2006-05-06 07:52:00	Cars - your thoughts?	Lizard (2409)	PC World Chat

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452667	2006-05-08 12:00:00	1999 Mazda Capella S/W, 2.5L V6, 76,000 KMS, 16" factory mags, auto, ABS, airbags, $13,995 I hate Mazdas, the capellas like you have here go like stink but handle like a piece of crap 2000 Mazda Familia SP20 Hatch, 2.0L, 63,000 KMS, 16" factory mags, auto, ABS, airbags, $14,995 Another Mazda 2002 Mitsubishi Galant GLS S/W, 2.0L, tiptronic, 86,214 KMs, ABS, airbags, $13,990 Would be a good option if it is NZ new 1998 Nissan Bluebird SSS CVT M6, 2.0L, 67,772 KMS, tiptronic, sunroof, ABS, airbags, $10,990 Dont touch it, this is an early version of the CVT and they had a tendancy in some cases to implode and cost 4-5,000 to repair 2001 Mazda Familia SP20 Hatch, 2.0L, tiptronic, ABS, airbags, 59636 KMS, $16,990 Another Mazda(tiptronic = normal auto gearbox with extra "gates" = load of crap) 2000 Mazda Familia SP20 Hatch, 2.0L, 16" factory alloys, 89,718 KMS, tiptronic, ABS, airbags, $13,990 Ditto 1999 Toyota Altezza AS200, 2.0L BEAMS engine, ABS, airbags, auto, 15" factory alloys, $15,990 BUY ME 2002 Peugot 307, 2.0L, auto, 16" factory alloys, 90,487 KMS, $15,990. Nice cars but buy the Toyota I've driven most of them, and have my own ideas, but would be interested in any experiences you may have had with these models, or similar models. Or if you have alternatives to suggest along similar lines. Cheers Lizard I'd be interested to hear from Altezza owners who can give me an idea of fuel consumption on these cars. On a more sedate side, I'm also considering the 2.2l Camry's, and a 2000 Nissan Skyline GT (67,000Kms, 2.0 non-turbo Neo engine - any info about the NEO? - $12,850) Experiences of these cars would be useful. Cheers Lizard	Lizard (2409)
452668	2006-05-08 12:44:00	I'd be interested to hear from Altezza owners who can give me an idea of fuel consumption on these cars. On a more sedate side, I'm also considering the 2.2l Camry's, and a 2000 Nissan Skyline GT (67,000Kms, 2.0 non-turbo Neo engine - any info about the NEO? - $12,850) Experiences of these cars would be useful. Cheers Lizard The NZ Camry was the same as the Australian Camry, so have a look at this review (carpoint.ninemsn.com.au). Safety stats (www.ltsa.govt.nz) here. Dunno about the 2.2l 4 though. A bit sluggish off the mark, but once going it is smooth and willing. But the V6 shouldn't be a helluvalot more expensive to buy/run. [Edit]: See the Red Book (www.redbookasiapacific.com) for spec comparison.	vinref (6194)
452669	2006-05-08 13:20:00	It would pay to get insurance premiums checked out first before you buy. Some cars, such as Subaru and Altezza's are considered as 'high-risk' boy racer cars. Obviously, not everyone who drives these are boy racers, but there is a large number of them as you probably know. Therefore, some insurance companies will have higher premiums for these cars as they're more likely to require a claim later on. Does depend on which insurance company you are with though.....	techie (7177)
452670	2006-05-09 01:36:00	Per a previous post I made some time ago, if you are out driving and you smell or see smoke up ahead, 90% of the time the source will be a Mitsi exhaust pipe. Just got back from a short drive, smelt smoke as I approached a set of lights on red, and as we took off, the usual blue cloud erupted from, you guesed it, yet another Mitsi with rings made from recycled beer cans and a serious drinking habit. Exactly what is wrong with Mitsubishi that causes their vehicles to burn oil like that? It isn't confined to older vehicles either, some quite modern models take up the habit at an early age. Cheers Billy 8-{)	Billy T (70)
452671	2006-05-09 02:31:00	It is absolutely incomprehensible to me how a company of that size gets it wrong on so many occasions. I mean why not just pay Toyota to give any ifo on what is required to make a first class motor.	Cicero (40)
452672	2006-05-10 12:04:00	I remember hearing about a scandal a few years back, with Mitsi covering up design faults for about 20 years, everything from engine flaws to faults in the chassis. And yeah, have a look at the rear bumper of any mid 80's mitsi gallant/ sigma/ V3000- covered in soot. I had one for 6 weeks before it blew a head gasket- what a piece of crap...	Sick Puppy (6959)
452673	2006-05-11 01:24:00	On a more sedate side, I'm also considering the 2.2l Camry's, and a 2000 Nissan Skyline GT (67,000Kms, 2.0 non-turbo Neo engine - any info about the NEO? - $12,850) Experiences of these cars would be useful. Neo's are the Nissan equivalent of VTec. I have a 2L Neo in my 98 Primera - plenty of grunt when it kicks in above 3500rpm. The 2L 4cyl is 190hp as standard, the non-Neo equivalent is about 150hp.	FKF (10241)
452674	2006-05-11 01:37:00	Safety stats (www.ltsa.govt.nz) here. Hmm, safety. I went right off those after seeing a member of the crash team on Top Gear explain they crash test cars at 40kph. Which would explain why all modern cars to varying degrees disintegrate totally in crashes at 100km. In my opinion that whole business started because yanks wouldn't wear seatbelts. Give me a solid old car any day.	pctek (84)
452675	2006-05-11 01:40:00	I'd be interested to hear from Altezza owners who can give me an idea of fuel consumption on these cars. On a more sedate side, I'm also considering the 2.2l Camry's, and a 2000 Nissan Skyline GT (67,000Kms, 2.0 non-turbo Neo engine - any info about the NEO? - $12,850) Experiences of these cars would be useful. Cheers Lizard neo is just the nissan version of variable valve timing. same as toyotas vvt, mitsi's mivec, hondas vtec. very good for a high torque range, people often opt for a vvt engine because the engine handles similar to having a turbo (interms of high rev torque). the 2.2l camry's are v6 are they not? the skylines are straight 6, basically all the models you are looking at are high fuel consumers, the camry and the skyline and the altezza. but it really depends on where you live and how you drive, if you are sedate, and in a rural setting you could get good fuel economy, on the other hand in the city youd find youd get rather low fuel economy for obvious reasons. top brands to stick to, toyota, nissan, honda, and at times mazda. brands to stay away from mitsubishi. mitsubishi cars are notorious for blowing piston rings, and their gearboxes failing.	Tux (606)
452676	2006-05-11 07:53:00	Hmm, safety. I went right off those after seeing a member of the crash team on Top Gear explain they crash test cars at 40kph. Which would explain why all modern cars to varying degrees disintegrate totally in crashes at 100km. In my opinion that whole business started because yanks wouldn't wear seatbelts. Give me a solid old car any day. According to the site: 'The ratings are calculated from a statistical analysis of police reports on actual crashes in Australia and New Zealand. They are based on whether or not the driver was injured in the crash and, if injury resulted, the severity of those injuries. They also look at the harm to other road users - pedestrians, cyclists, motorcyclists and the driver of the other car in a collision.' Yeah. I'm a bit suspicious about those crast test results as well.	vinref (6194)
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