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| Thread ID: 68560 | 2006-05-03 07:02:00 | telecome will unbundle!!! | robsonde (120) | PC World Chat |
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| 451675 | 2006-05-04 01:27:00 | While relevant to Telecommunications in general, the Southern Cross cable issue is somewhat of of a side issue to LLU, because whatever format the Telecoms is run under in NZ, presumably it would need upgrading or replacing or complimented in some and be paid for. If the argument is that the capacity limits will be reached more quickly because of LLU, well boo hoo, if Telecom had provided internet that was, say, up with the top 3rd of OECD countries, would we not be in the same position, we'd still need to invest in international capacity? The argument for restraint of NZ's data growth because of the cable is a BS one IMO, we have the technology but not the balls, bah! But, whats the bet it would have been used by a certain corporate as a means of justifying continuing crappy service, it's still likely to be a card played in the game. |
Murray P (44) | ||
| 451676 | 2006-05-04 02:46:00 | This is all reads to me like by the time the Revolution happened, everybody had lost interest. (Or at least become very skeptical.) | mark c (247) | ||
| 451677 | 2006-05-04 02:59:00 | From my memory, aren't those Scandanvian countries all connected to the large land-mass that is mainland Europe?? ... and doesn't that mean that there is no need for them to invest in a "Southern Cross-type" cable?? The current cable will need to be complemented to cater for future broadband uptake, and don't forget that the cable does not only service New Zealand, but also Australia, Fiji, and Hawaii. It took about 5 years to get the cable fully laid and up to it's 240Gbps capacity (it could yet be expanded to 480Gbps), so even if the laying of a new cable was to start today, it would be approx. mid-2008 before first availability and approx. 2010 before full capacity became available. Another thing.... Telecom may make billions of dollars per year, but they also donate several millions into our education system every year. What other communications company (or any other company for that matter) in NZ does that? |
Antmannz (6583) | ||
| 451678 | 2006-05-04 04:24:00 | From my memory, aren't those Scandanvian countries all connected to the large land-mass that is mainland Europe?? . . . and doesn't that mean that there is no need for them to invest in a "Southern Cross-type" cable?? The current cable will need to be complemented to cater for future broadband uptake, and don't forget that the cable does not only service New Zealand, but also Australia, Fiji, and Hawaii . It took about 5 years to get the cable fully laid and up to it's 240Gbps capacity (it could yet be expanded to 480Gbps), so even if the laying of a new cable was to start today, it would be approx . mid-2008 before first availability and approx . 2010 before full capacity became available . Forget the flipping cable for a moment will ya, we're talking about the Scandy countries in relation to successful LLU, which has precisely nothing to do with cross border cables in this context . *Cough* except to say, you try running a cable through the topography, water and ice those lot do, and see how easy it is, just because it's Europe/Scandanavia/Batics doesn't mean they get away with running a piece of string and a couple of tin cans, a la good old NZ . Another thing . . . . Telecom may make billions of dollars per year, but they also donate several millions into our education system every year . What other communications company (or any other company for that matter) in NZ does that? There are probably private philanthopists that give away more money than Telecom does (which is more like giving in one and receiving in the other, in more ways than one) . But yet again, I fail to see what relevance this has to the subject of LLU, I mean it's a really good example of a "so friggin what" statement, like I could say "well the extra money going in to the cofferes of the other industry players may well mean they increase their social donations" or "So, are you telling me they're reducing their advertising budget then, do you have that for a fact, eh?" . :rolleyes: |
Murray P (44) | ||
| 451679 | 2006-05-04 05:41:00 | From my memory, aren't those Scandanvian countries all connected to the large land-mass that is mainland Europe?? ... and doesn't that mean that there is no need for them to invest in a "Southern Cross-type" cable??They still have to have a backbone (or multiple backbones) running through the country. Remember though that a large proportion of data is stored in datacenters in the United States and Europe isn't connected to a US, so there will be similar links to the Southern Cross cable between the different continents. I'm sure there is a site somewhere out there that covers all the different links. It also pays to think about the capacity of the Southern Cross Cable - if that entire fibre loom was lit, it's only 480Gbps - that's 245,000 2Mb connections, or if iHug had their way with ASDL2+ 20,400 24Mb ADSL 2+ connections (of course all running full speed) before the SCC is maxed out.Correct me if I am wrong, but 2MBit = 256kbps, so 480,000Mbps / 0.256Mbps = 1.87 million 2MBit connections. Is that right? :confused: |
maccrazy (6741) | ||
| 451680 | 2006-05-04 05:49:00 | Correct me if I am wrong, but 2MBit = 256kbps, so 480,000Mbps / 0.256Mbps = 1.87 million 2MBit connections. Is that right? :confused:2.5Mbps = 2560Kbps | Myth (110) | ||
| 451681 | 2006-05-04 05:59:00 | In the same way that we had carless days way back to make the petrol go round, so soon it will be internetless days to make the bandwidth go round. Already the system is manifestly not up to scratch for many since Telecom attempted to raise speeds up to 3.5Mbps. |
Terry Porritt (14) | ||
| 451682 | 2006-05-04 06:14:00 | I think you'll find that Telecom and the ISPs count in round thousands only, the maths is wrong anyway and it's still irrelevant to the basis behind LLU. | Murray P (44) | ||
| 451683 | 2006-05-04 07:18:00 | Having listened to all the experts,it's going to be 2 years b4 we reap any benefit of the UB,so be prepared for the long wait. | Cicero (40) | ||
| 451684 | 2006-05-04 07:26:00 | Wrong on tv3 news tonight they reported it could be six months before we see faster speeds from other providers. | Hitech (9024) | ||
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