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Thread ID: 68765	2006-05-10 06:28:00	XP wins - no more linux for me....	sam m (517)	PC World Chat

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453777	2006-05-16 03:06:00	Sam run what you like, it's your machine and you have to work with and deal with it . To the others, have a ***** by all means, there's plenty to ***** about in the world and for most you don't need to look too hard . But "***" to quote another poster, some of the things you're asking for are really a bit silly, others are just plain thick as the pigs proverbial . Essentially, what you guys are asking for, equates to expecting, nay demanding, that Fords shiney new fangled dash board and instrumentation slots straight in to a Holden :rolleyes: And, please stop using the word Linux, as if it was pertinant to anything in particular or at least qualify it with kernel or a distro name .	Murray P (44)
453778	2006-05-16 03:36:00	Essentially, what you guys are asking for, equates to expecting, nay demanding, that Fords shiney new fangled dash board and instrumentation slots straight in to a Holden :rolleyes: That's the best description of some of the regular complaints about using <insert other OS here> I have heard in a long time. -Qyiet	qyiet (6730)
453779	2006-05-16 10:39:00	I've been using computers most of my life . Learnt DOS at age 4 or so . (Ok, learnt to play Mother Goose's Nursery Rhymes on DOS at 4 :thumbs: ) . Took to Windows 95 like a duck to that liquid medium on which ducks float, some time in '96 . Age 6 . Linux intrigues me, but rather than the duck analogy I think a moth-to-a-flame is probably more suitable . Whenever I fly too close the heat gets to me and I fly away for a while . But I go back . Just hope my wings don't catch fire, as that would leave me to fall from the sky and crawl around on the ground without any wings . They might grow back . . . An acquaintance of mine which goes by the title of My Common Sense suggests to me that a wingless moth probably dies . My Common Sense and I are not yet on first-name terms, but I believe it may have a point . I think my Linux-induced lack of sleep is getting to me . Yes, I refer to Linux as a vague broad entity, rather than specific distributions . That's because in using Red Hat 6, Knoppix, Knoppix-STD and Ubuntu I've found them all to be, on a general level, pretty similar . Not the same, but you know, if it's not one thing that won't work it's another; the modem, the wifi adaptor, updating Firefox even . (Turned out that multi-platform Firefox didn't actually have a 1 . 5 version for Ubuntu . ) Don't get me wrong here, I do rather enjoy the whole I-am-compiling-the-source-code-and-it-may-even-work-eventually Linux deal, it's just that it can take so very long to achieve something (satisfying as it is) that for day-to-day computer use Windows XP does suit me better . qyiet, Tazz, personthingy, Murray P: The USB WiFi dongle actually advertises on the box that is is compatible with Linux, and the CD has an (old) Linux driver . There is a newer driver on the manufacturer's website, said by many to be buggy and non-functional, and a community version of the driver, which after looking at the options is what I've been trying to use . However, due to Linux's nature, one does not double-click the driver; one compiles it, manually editing the Makefile and obtaining various versions of compilers, source code, headers, supplicants, etc, etc . Sorry, I've gone wrong somewhere . There are a few more things to try, but then it may indeed be that I need to install a different Linux distro . Let's have a Linux-guys vs . Linux-guys debate over which distro is best, ok? :rolleyes: The post-script: Windows gives you a "Yes" or "No" answer to tasks . Linux gives you a "Maybe, if you work at it" . The fact of the matter with my WiFi adaptor is that the reason why I'm trying to get it to work with Linux (Ubuntu/Kernel 2 . 6 . 12-10-386 . . . ) through powerful but tricky means is that, though Windows can network with the adaptor, it gives me a "No" for working with WEP security tools . And that's pretty final . Linux has choices . Atreides	Atreides (7000)
453780	2006-05-16 11:04:00	Had another go a fc5. All fully updated ect. Googled to find some different howto's, got the dvd & mp3's going. Now I can view tv in full screen with no picture quality problems, unlike windows & mandriva that give me diagonal wavy lines. I can play dvd with a better picture than the others, sound's good too. I can't get the graphic equaliser to work, just treble & bass with kmix. All in all everything is working the same or better than the same hardware does on windows. It even spits out the cd's when I press the button, unlike previous fc versions. I'll stick with it now. i just wish I could get my work software to go on Linux properly then I could go open source 100%	Phil B (648)
453781	2006-05-16 12:01:00	Atreides said: Took to Windows 95 like a duck to that liquid medium on which ducks float, some time in '96. Age 6 So, you've been using computers for a mere 20 years. Some of us have been using them for 40 years. Way back then, we communicated with the machine (IBM 360 mainframe) via Hollerith cards - one line per card, which if you had a liberal computer centre you punched yourself, otherwise a punch operator did it for you, providing you told her exactly what to do. We also had a thing called JCL - Job Control Language - which were incantations to get the machine to do what you wanted. These were essentially gibberish, unless you were an expert. And you submitted a job and got it back in the form of screeds of paper maybe a few hours later if you were lucky, or maybe next day. So, when people ***** about Linux being too hard, I say you're just lazy. I'm also finding it difficult, but I figure I don't have the mental dexterity that I had 40 years ago. And when some callow youth of 26 years whines "it's too hard for me", I just despair of today's generation.	TideMan (4279)
453782	2006-05-16 12:28:00	You despair for todays generation because they have used something easier? Any idea how silly that sounds? How about Linux (across the board) just improve their product, seems to me the efforts of the last few years has been a waste of time . Not that I care either way .	Metla (12)
453783	2006-05-17 07:15:00	TideMan, I despair for anyone who cannot perform the math to establish that 1996 was 10 years ago, not 20, and that my being 6 in 1996 makes me now 16, not 26. One must have a certain degree of temerity to appreciate progress and change, certainly, but without it we would still be scampering about without fire, nor tools, nor ships, nor any of the multifarious other achievements of the ages. Recondite tales of the olden days are great for an occasional spot of nostalgia for the speaker and give the listeners perspective in their modern lives, but, truth be told, there is no longer a place for punch cards in the twenty-first century. It is absolutely debatable as to whether or not Windows is progress beyond Linux; they are disparate in many ways, but undoubtedly within both of these operating systems cogent progress has been made over the years in usability, allowing the uptake of these technologies by an inconceivably diverse melange of people across the planet, not only professionals of the corporate world. There is no reason to excoriate those to whom the convenience of Windows appeals (or in TideMan's case, anyone who uses a monitor); not everyone has the time or compulsion to delve into system viscera for every non-standard exercise that presents itself. My personal predilection for experimentation with computers is both an encumbrance, with the frustrations and problems I encounter, but also an ascendency as I gain an appreciation of what is often glossed over and hidden in the operation of the machine, and ultimately I succeed in many ventures. The fact that compiling a kernel driver module for a shakily-supported device is difficult does not render me lazy for trying to do it; rather, it shows I have a certain alacrity for such endeavours. I appreciate the expedition with which many other people generously provide assistence and advice when it is of use. Those who would instead brazenly deride my efforts are not required. Old man, the tide ebbs.	Atreides (7000)
453784	2006-05-17 08:43:00	TideMan, I despair for anyone who cannot perform the math to establish that 1996 was 10 years ago, not 20, and that my being 6 in 1996 makes me now 16, not 26. One must have a certain degree of temerity to appreciate progress and change, certainly, but without it we would still be scampering about without fire, nor tools, nor ships, nor any of the multifarious other achievements of the ages. Recondite tales of the olden days are great for an occasional spot of nostalgia for the speaker and give the listeners perspective in their modern lives, but, truth be told, there is no longer a place for punch cards in the twenty-first century. It is absolutely debatable as to whether or not Windows is progress beyond Linux; they are disparate in many ways, but undoubtedly within both of these operating systems cogent progress has been made over the years in usability, allowing the uptake of these technologies by an inconceivably diverse melange of people across the planet, not only professionals of the corporate world. There is no reason to excoriate those to whom the convenience of Windows appeals (or in TideMan's case, anyone who uses a monitor); not everyone has the time or compulsion to delve into system viscera for every non-standard exercise that presents itself. My personal predilection for experimentation with computers is both an encumbrance, with the frustrations and problems I encounter, but also an ascendency as I gain an appreciation of what is often glossed over and hidden in the operation of the machine, and ultimately I succeed in many ventures. The fact that compiling a kernel driver module for a shakily-supported device is difficult does not render me lazy for trying to do it; rather, it shows I have a certain alacrity for such endeavours. I appreciate the expedition with which many other people generously provide assistence and advice when it is of use. Those who would instead brazenly deride my efforts are not required. Old man, the tide ebbs. :waughh: well that wore out my dictionary	sam m (517)
453785	2006-05-17 08:57:00	:waughh: well that wore out my dictionary Time to throw away that dusty old book & use an online dictionary	Greven (91)
453786	2006-05-17 09:28:00	TideMan, I despair for anyone who cannot perform the math to establish that 1996 was 10 years ago, not 20, and that my being 6 in 1996 makes me now 16, not 26. One must have a certain degree of temerity to appreciate progress and change, certainly, but without it we would still be scampering about without fire, nor tools, nor ships, nor any of the multifarious other achievements of the ages. Recondite tales of the olden days are great for an occasional spot of nostalgia for the speaker and give the listeners perspective in their modern lives, but, truth be told, there is no longer a place for punch cards in the twenty-first century. It is absolutely debatable as to whether or not Windows is progress beyond Linux; they are disparate in many ways, but undoubtedly within both of these operating systems cogent progress has been made over the years in usability, allowing the uptake of these technologies by an inconceivably diverse melange of people across the planet, not only professionals of the corporate world. There is no reason to excoriate those to whom the convenience of Windows appeals (or in TideMan's case, anyone who uses a monitor); not everyone has the time or compulsion to delve into system viscera for every non-standard exercise that presents itself. My personal predilection for experimentation with computers is both an encumbrance, with the frustrations and problems I encounter, but also an ascendency as I gain an appreciation of what is often glossed over and hidden in the operation of the machine, and ultimately I succeed in many ventures. The fact that compiling a kernel driver module for a shakily-supported device is difficult does not render me lazy for trying to do it; rather, it shows I have a certain alacrity for such endeavours. I appreciate the expedition with which many other people generously provide assistence and advice when it is of use. Those who would instead brazenly deride my efforts are not required. Old man, the tide ebbs. :horrified The style of prose I would have expected Edward Gibbon (Decline & Fall of the Roman Empire) to have used. Pretty impressive all the same. Have you been studying 18th C literature?	jcr1 (893)
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