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Thread ID: 69082	2006-05-21 06:58:00	Another question for the forum sparky types	personthingy (1670)	PC World Chat

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456579	2006-05-21 09:31:00	its not advaisable to connect another appliance to the hotwater feed simply due to its high fuse rating. if there is a short, ie through you, the fuse won't blow very quickly. The milliamps it takes to kill you usually doesn't blow the fuse whatever rating it is hence RCDs.	PaulD (232)
456580	2006-05-21 11:32:00	and then, of course, there is the lack of home owner's insurance when the house burns down.	Scouse (83)
456581	2006-05-21 11:41:00	No.	Murray P (44)
456582	2006-05-21 21:13:00	So i take it that all of you who are full of critism but have no actual answers don't actually know the answer to the questions but are terribly and rightly scared of this electricity stuff. {sarcasm} Thankyou for your expert advice {/sarcasm}	personthingy (1670)
456583	2006-05-22 00:40:00	So i assume that the lighting circuit would be the better local circuit to impose a towel rails enormous load upon, as it is RCD protected, and it is a lower rated breaker? the legal side i have NO idea whatso ever.....been out of doing it way to long. lighting ciruit is better than the HW one and if your lucky you can tap into the bathroom lightswtch, change the wall plate to double switch etc so you have an easy accible switch for the towe rail. however it may not be possible to get to a lighting ciruit so a powerpoint is best bet. The milliamps it takes to kill you usually doesn't blow the fuse whatever rating it is hence RCDs. true, however please trust me when i say 10 ciruit breaker can save your life ! <ouch> (rcd's are far better but not many homes have them)	tweak'e (69)
456584	2006-05-22 00:44:00	I, for one are not scared of this electrical stuff. After all, whilst not a sparky, I am a keen electronics constructor. This doesn't make me an expert in electrics or the law. But I hope with the bit of working knowledge, I do have, it does allow me a bit of common sense. It appears to me, you posted this thread for comfort. You are unsure yourself and want us to re-assure you. Seems everyone else is telling you not to do it but you will do what you will do. One bit of law I do know in regards to this is: Any home wiring must be inspected and certified by a credited electrician. Otherwise you can kiss your home insurance goodbye and leave yourself wide open to the law should someone get 'cuted!! You may not like our answers but use your common sense, spend a few buck$ and get the job done correctly. BURNZEE	Burnzee (6950)
456585	2006-05-22 01:05:00	I, for one are not scared of this electrical stuff. After all, whilst not a sparky, I am a keen electronics constructor. This doesn't make me an expert in electrics or the law. But I hope with the bit of working knowledge, I do have, it does allow me a bit of common sense. It appears to me, you posted this thread for comfort. You are unsure yourself and want us to re-assure you. Seems everyone else is telling you not to do it but you will do what you will do. One bit of law I do know in regards to this is: Any home wiring must be inspected and certified by a credited electrician. Otherwise you can kiss your home insurance goodbye and leave yourself wide open to the law should someone get 'cuted!! You may not like our answers but use your common sense, spend a few buck$ and get the job done correctly. BURNZEEBack on planet average NZ income or less, no one is going to spend the bucks when the bucks aren't there, The whole house is slowly being rewired and fixed up, and is due to be inspected anyway, but before it does we wish to get it up to standard anyway that we realisticly can while at the same time keeping it comfortable (ish) Some of the permanant wiring that was in place before i took to it was far rougher than anything that i would rig up as a temperary worklight Your right, in so much as i don't remember specificly if heated towel rails are allowed to be on lighting circuits, but as things like clocks, fans, heatlamps, and other low draw appliances are, i am assuming that heated towel rails would be. I am making sure, or at least that was the intension. Your also right that i will do what i will do. Also... Where's this myth that a "credited electrician" actually knows what they are doing coming from? Sorry, While i know many sparky types i respect for thier standards, i also i know too many "credited sparkys" that i wouldn't trust to change a light bulb.	personthingy (1670)
456586	2006-05-22 01:14:00	i suggest looping it off a powerpoint if it's possible, i used to be an electrical apprentice and when we did inspections, things connected to the lighting circuit were frowned apon. All the towel rails i've installed have been from 2.5mm power point circuits. a lot of towel rails have a switch of their own on them too but if they dont all you need to do is wire in a PCU with a switch on it. oh and its not a good idea to connect it to the hot water, i'm unsure of the regulations but it's supposed to have its own feed and should stay that way. hope this helps, good luck	Jimmy D (2061)
456587	2006-05-22 01:15:00	Where's this myth that a "credited electrician" actually knows what they are doing coming from? Sorry, While i know many sparky types i respect for thier standards, i also i know too many "credited sparkys" that i wouldn't trust to change a light bulb. so true. i've lost count of the amount of rip off sparky's around (and i've worked on new homes where the place was half burnt down due to sparky fault). also locally sparky's are the 2nd highest $$$$ earners at the moment. (plumbers are no1 but then again theres 30 sparkys for every plumber......)	tweak'e (69)
456588	2006-05-22 01:22:00	If the lights are RCD protected, I am not aware of any part of AS/NZS 3000:2000 ("The Wiring Rules") that would prohibit the connection of a heated towel rail. Afterall, you can connect a heat/light/fan fitting to the circuit. BUT... The location of the heated towel rail must be in the correct "Zone" and have the appropriate IP rating as detailed in the Standard irrespective of what it's connected to.	godfather (25)
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