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| Thread ID: 69868 | 2006-06-14 20:52:00 | Cullen warns against large pay rises after getting 8.1pc | BoboTheClown (5652) | PC World Chat |
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| 463142 | 2006-06-16 01:45:00 | Exactly why there needs to be a youth union. There seems to be a lot of negative connotations surrounding the word 'union', and parents might be anti, but hell, I know from experience that kids are being destroyed in crappy low pay jobs. I work with somone that dropped out of school and has to work a 50 hour week just to get by because he's on youth rate. I don't agree with youths rampaging down queen st. on a school day, but I do agree with the formation of a youth union. I agree, however it is not just the youth, adults wages have barely moved in 15 years in those areas too. It really is a case of the richer get richer and the poorer get poorer in NZ at the moment, no matter how cliche it sounds its 100% accurate. |
Battleneter (60) | ||
| 463143 | 2006-06-16 02:09:00 | It really is a case of the richer get richer and the poorer get poorer in NZ at the moment, no matter how cliche it sounds its 100% accurate.Try not to generalise. Individuals can improve their lot if they want to. I started on a mere $20,000 in 1987 and now earn nearly 5 times that now. My wife also increased her salary at the same rate. We certainly weren't rich then. We just became rich by hard work. You actually need to work hard to improve yourself. You can not expect to get handouts from the government or your employer. I was an office clerk in 1987. I studied hard and gained promotions and changed employers a few times, even changing cities to get ahead. |
KiwiTT_NZ (233) | ||
| 463144 | 2006-06-16 02:52:00 | KiwiTT_NZ, so am I to understand you believe that this could happen to us all if only we tried. Obviously not everyone can be at the top, only a few are and they are taking the ones' who are at the lower end of the socio-economic structure, fair share these days. Imagine if there were more just like you and your wife, could you all succeed against each other? We need lots of differnet people to make up a society, not everyone wants to "succeed" but just have enough to get by. The rich are getting richer by ripping off the poor and weak with sharp business practices. The government should be regulating to obviate this tendency but instead they are in cohorts with the greedy. |
zqwerty (97) | ||
| 463145 | 2006-06-16 03:13:00 | I started on a mere $20,000 in 1987 and now earn nearly 5 times that now . . Thats basically 20 years . Even if you sat on your bum your pay would have gone up in 20 years . Most people were able to stay in one job for a long time, years ago . Nowdays its not uncommon to have to change jobs - what with redundancies and so on . And you start almost back at the beginning again . |
pctek (84) | ||
| 463146 | 2006-06-16 03:22:00 | It wouldn't matter what Members of Parliament were paid - there would be always someone criticising and saying it was too much. Being a politician is a difficult , sometimes nasty, and frustrating job. 24 hours a day. They get attacked in very personal ways, abused by strangers in the street etc. And if they can put up with that, their children, spouses and wider family cop the flack just for being related to an MP. I wouldn't do it. I think Cullen - much as I disagree with him - earns every cent. |
Winston001 (3612) | ||
| 463147 | 2006-06-16 03:42:00 | Thats basically 20 years. Even if you sat on your bum your pay would have gone up in 20 years.Yes. But only to about $35,000 with just inflation (3%) increases. Which is only about a third of what I get. The extra 2/3 I get is from hard study. KiwiTT_NZ, so am I to understand you believe that this could happen to us all if only we tried. Obviously not everyone can be at the top, only a few are and they are taking the ones' who are at the lower end of the socio-economic structure, fair share these days.I am far from the top and have not pushed others to the side. If anything I have tried to increase the value of my team in all cases. In one case, one person who excelled doubled his salary in 3 years, with hard work. Those at the bottom need to find a way up and those higher up needs to help those who want to climb higher. This is the only way we all will get ahead. I believe increases should be based on merit not simply because you are part of a group and all get the same increase. Very socialist, in my opinion. Not everyone is the same, it is up to each individual to increase their own lot and not to depend on others for it. Too many people want it now and are not willing to work for it. Witness the huge level of consumer debt. |
KiwiTT_NZ (233) | ||
| 463148 | 2006-06-16 06:29:00 | Hypocrisy is a sin . Especially when your earning $240,000+ of our income tax,and your last pay increase was 8% . :confused: But then, when you truly believe you are superior to every other living human on the planet . Then the word delusion (a mistaken or unfounded opinion or idea; "he has delusions of competence"; "his dreams of vast wealth are a hallucination") seems appropriate . Cullen should be encouraging pay increases . Why? . Because the more you earn the more the government takes in tax . The more you can spend,means the more GST the government takes . Is this delusional hypocrite seeking assistance from the mental health system? . Because he should be . :groan: |
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