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Thread ID: 70248	2006-06-26 22:29:00	Its Official - there are now two Justice systems in NZ	dvm (6543)	PC World Chat

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466521	2006-06-26 22:29:00	Given what is happening after the recent "deaths" of the twins up north it seems that there is now one system of justice for Maori and one for the rest of us. Two babies dead and those apparently closely involved being Maori are seemingly alowed to talk to the Police when they "are ready". For the rest of us in similar circumstances (God forbid) the Police would be crawling right over us, and rightly so. I was going to say its PC gone mad but its not its cultural sensitivity gone mad - those involved in the deaths have neither culture nor sensitivity so why extend dubious legal rights to them so that they can avoid fronting up. The twins will never see either culture or sensitivity. Just makes me sad to see the depths to which some descend.	dvm (6543)
466522	2006-06-26 23:00:00	Last night on TV1 Close Up, Susan Wood read out a number of emails on this issue and she said ALL of the large number of emails received were against what the family was doing, and were for the police and justice system taking firm action. dvm, as far as NZ having "two Justice systems", imho, this has been the case for a long time but especially since Helen and other PC politicians have been in power.	Strommer (42)
466523	2006-06-26 23:07:00	There was a fatal motor accident in Wellington and the surviving driver is not talking to the Police either on legal advice. This happens all the time. In the absence of evidence what would you suggest that the Police should do, start applying the electrodes?	PaulD (232)
466524	2006-06-27 00:13:00	Like it or not, it is the family members' right to not make any statement. I personally object to the political posturing by leaders of various parties who are poking their oars in. Too many public statements and stands being taken without anyone knowing the intimate details. Say, for example, the injuries were caused by another of the children? I must say that I think that the cop-in-charge is bleating a little on the publicity seeking side too. He should just get on with the job. It would not be the first homicide which has failed to result in a prosecution for want of evidence. It seems to be the fashion nowadays for senior cops to beat their breasts and claim that this is yet the worst case of its type they have ever handled. They should just get on with it - give the job away if they can't handle the stress.	Scouse (83)
466525	2006-06-27 03:07:00	Like it or not, it is the family members' right to not make any statement. FromNZ Herald article: (www.nzherald.co.nz) The police were coming under pressure from politicians today to make arrests in the Kahui twins case. ... "The stonewalling of the family has gone beyond reasonable or acceptable and has become a national disgrace. What we have is a dysfunctional family perverting the course of justice and it can no longer be tolerated." The legal question here is if the family is in fact perverting the course of justice...?	Strommer (42)
466526	2006-06-27 03:15:00	I call on my great psychic abilities to tell you that the family will nominate a kid (teenager, probably) as the killer. Even though it wasn't him, knowing full-well that he'll be deemed "too young to charge" :rolleyes: and nothing will ever be done. Bet ya a million bucks.	Peterj116 (6762)
466527	2006-06-27 04:11:00	Crimes Act: 71.Accessory after the fact— (1)An accessory after the fact to an offence is one who, knowing any person to have been a party to the offence, receives, comforts, or assists that person or tampers with or actively suppresses any evidence against him, in order to enable him to escape after arrest or to avoid arrest or conviction. [(2)No person whose spouse or civil union partner has been a party to an offence becomes an accessory after the fact to that offence by doing any act to which this section applies in order to enable the spouse or civil union partner, or the spouse, civil union partner, and any other person who has been a party to the offence, to escape after arrest or to avoid arrest or conviction.]	Scouse (83)
466528	2006-06-27 05:46:00	Quite right, you don't have to say anything. However normally you sit in your cell waiting for your lawyer to get bail while you say nothing. Saying the police need to wait while they: have the funeral Have family meetings Have whatever they think of next is drivel. The police should arrest the lot of them and charge them with various things, obstruction, accessory etc. You can't be in the same house this occurred and be completely oblivious to who did what. They weren't smothered, they were bashed.	pctek (84)
466529	2006-06-27 06:24:00	I fail to see how the fact that they are Maori really has anything to do with this. So called "cultural sensitivity gone mad" is a load of crip. I wouldnt be surprised if this happens a lot with people from all races. It just happens that the media picked up on it and now it's a huge issue. That not to say I don't think they shouldn't speak up. Just as anybody from any race should speak up. However I don't think they are being treated better because they are Maori, we all have legal rights. In fact I'd probably say this is actually such a big story because they are Maori.	imarubberducky (7230)
466530	2006-06-27 21:54:00	I don't think it has anything to do with race but heaps to do with one or more 'family' members bashing two helpless, tiny baby, family members . Most humans would protect babies, no matter who they belonged to . The police have their hands tied because of our rights as New Zealanders . The police are also human and I'd expect that the majority would also be parents . Having nightmares about battered babies wouldn't be unusual either . :(	Sue (33)
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