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Thread ID: 71431	2006-08-05 23:43:00	Wellington's bypass	Nomad (952)	PC World Chat

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476317	2006-08-05 23:43:00	Hi, Just wondering about this issue. There has been developments but given these types I have not paid any attention to it. Many times it just goes via a debate on television. My simple question is, it kinda links the motorway to the Mt Victoria tunnel right? If not please correct me. At peak hour traffic urban workers are going to drive to city to work. How does this bypass assist in traffic flow? I mean when its been completed my uneducated guess is that workers may use this new road and then turn off to thier offices and thus the traffic is still jammed up affecting people who want to get to the airport and to the hospital or other suburbs. Or is there is some plans or regulation to work around this issue? N.	Nomad (952)
476318	2006-08-06 00:52:00	The idea is that traffic heading towards the motorway will be able to travel directly from the basin reserve to the Terrace Tunnel, and traffic heading east will be able to travel directly from the Terrace Tunnel to the intersection of Vivian Street and Cambridge Terrace. In other words, there will no longer be any need for traffic to travel along that little section of Taranaki Street as they do currently. I think the intention is to aid traffic bypassing the CBD. Obviously anyone turning off between the Mt Victoria Tunnel and the Terrace Tunnel will still have to battle with CBD traffic.	alasta (6652)
476319	2006-08-06 03:48:00	The idea of all these traffic "improvements" is to get the cars into the centre as quickly as possible. As soon as it's quicker, more people will do it, and it will get slower. There's always going to be the problem of what to do with them when they get into the centre. My personal preference would be a black hole.	Graham L (2)
476320	2006-08-06 08:54:00	Thanks, clears up my understanding. Buses are still limited as they use roads. I think a underground subway system or a monorail or that one they said Wellington could consider that uses tracks above ground level is the way to go IMO or the trams which have their own lines so they are not battling with car traffic. There are minimal bus only lanes in certain areas which only assist to a certain level. It would also help that bus companies actually are dedicated that all bus are actually runned. I swear that waiting for buses at the CBD sometimes I had to stand there for 30mins or longer when one bus was full to the other came along (be it full or not full). This was 5PM or 6PM on a weekday. They should of been each 15mins, or that at offpeak times each 30mins, which is the same on Saturdays with hourly on Sundays. Re: the Newlands Green bus. A train would be the best option but not all areas are served by that, unless one is to drive to the train station and subscribe to a carpark lease and then leave it there and jump on a train. Or else take a bus to the station that is like 20mins and get off and catch the train. Re: the Johnsonville Railway Station. Subway may be somewhat out of the picture for NZ, so I think a train would be nice if they expand that, because I for one would rather take a train, the bus takes me 1hr to get to work while on a car at traffic free times its like 15mins drive, driving. I also think some kind of a rail system can be est for the airport, if not its only going to triple or quadruple the travelling times esp those early international flights which now request 3hr prior checking in, and it is further affected with peak hour traffic. If one person relied on public transport as I have used in the past, a bus to CBD (Newlands green) and then the airport bus at Courtenay Place takes almost 2hr when one gets off and wait a moment for the 2nd bus to arrive. If the arrival at airport is like 9am it means I be queuing at the bus stop like around 7am or 7.15am.	Nomad (952)
476321	2006-08-06 09:07:00	I think the intention is to aid traffic bypassing the CBD. Obviously anyone turning off between the Mt Victoria Tunnel and the Terrace Tunnel will still have to battle with CBD traffic. Even for people are not wanting to leave at this area, would it still jam them up too? For example, going south bound on SH1, motorists who wants to turn off at "pass LV Martin" still have to go slowly on the way down there despite there are 3 lanes - 2 for the city and 1 for the underway via Kaiwharawhara area.	Nomad (952)
476322	2006-08-06 10:01:00	Even for people are not wanting to leave at this area, would it still jam them up too? For example, going south bound on SH1, motorists who wants to turn off at "pass LV Martin" still have to go slowly on the way down there despite there are 3 lanes - 2 for the city and 1 for the underway via Kaiwharawhara area. I'm not entirely sure that I understand your question, but I doubt that the inner city bypass will have any significant downstream effect on traffic in the Ngauranga Gorge area. I think there is a proposal to build another road running west from Petone (possibly Petone to Grenada North?) to take a bit of pressure off the Ngauranga Gorge road, but I'm not sure what the state of progress is with that. I agree with you entirely about the reliability of buses, by the way. The Seatoun Express bus which I take to work is usually choka by the time it gets to my stop which means that if one bus fails to arrive, then the next bus doesn't have enough spare capacity to clear the backlog.	alasta (6652)
476323	2006-08-06 11:34:00	I was using the Gorge as an example . Meaning if the Bypass has been completed and let's say there are multiple lanes . My guess would be that most pple are going to work so that even if there are multiple lanes the people who does not wanna get off at the CBD would still get delayed by the other people . People are probably gonna take all the lanes up and just switch as needed at the last point thus the people who does not wanna get off at the CBD get delayed as well . Like the Gorge it may be a bit faster (the left lane) is quicker than the other 2 lanes but given the usual traffic at peak time all the 3 lanes willl get severley delayed . :)	Nomad (952)
476324	2006-08-06 19:07:00	This thread has made me go all nostalgic. I was born in Wgton and spent most of my early years there and in the Hutt. There was never,ever such a thing as a traffic jam. There was so little traffic. The normal mode of travel was to walk. We lived about two miles from my first school. My mother walked me there and back on my first day to show me the way. After that I was on my own. No worries about traffic or dirty old men. Public transport consisted of trams that ran about every five or ten minutes in peak hours. About every half hour at other times. And they were always on schedule. During the war years I lived on top of the Miramar hills. About a mile walk down to the tram stop and another mile to school. We usualy walked all the way. The penny tram fare could be better spent. If you lived in the Hutt Valey the only transport was train. The trains ran from the new station, (the old station was in Thorndon), to Waterloo. From the train you walked home. If you lived North of Nae Nae you used the Wairarapa train. Taita, Silverstream and Upper Hutt were way out in the country. Supermarkets were unheard of. We used to shop at the grocers,the butchers, and at the fruit shop. Cricket used to be played in the middle of the street,and with very little interuption from traffic. Nobody felt the need for more public transport. People were happy to walk.	JJJJJ (528)
476325	2006-08-07 07:44:00	I think the idea of bypassing Wellington is a great idea :P	Battleneter (60)
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