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Thread ID: 71305	2006-08-02 00:41:00	He was only three years old ... killed by his parents.	KiwiTT_NZ (233)	PC World Chat

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475358	2006-08-02 23:05:00	Kinda sad, all this righteous bile. I suggest that underlying the above views is a deep concern and sense of helpless outrage that yet another child has been beaten to death by his parents. That's the essence of what has happened. And killing their own child is fundamentally contrary to their most basic instincts. If poverty was a reasonable explanation, the morgues would be very busy and we wouldn't even bother to discuss it. But poor people don't normally kill their children. Its aberrant behaviour and the benefit of a discussion like this is we can exchange views, hopefully learning something along the way. KiwiTT -As a victim of child abuse myself; bashed around the head for making bad coffee, shot at by a slug gun by step-parents, just for fun; I actually abhor violence, so being previously abused is not the cause either. This example must be admired. Humans learn by experience. If it hurts, don't do it. Many adults recall being beaten as children and vowing never to do the same themselves. So why do some fail to learn a pretty fundamental lesson ie. I'm not going to repeat my parents mistakes?	Winston001 (3612)
475359	2006-08-03 00:29:00	Got any facts or is it just heresay?see below. Madness. Suggest at some stage you track down and have a chat to either a violence or sexual abuse counciller who has worked in maori communities. In some areas its ingrained deeply into the comminty and destroys everyone whose brought up in the area, either directly or secound hand. They don't get to try and break the cycle untill these kids are grown up and in a new community.....Jail. The fact is it doesn't make the news because its kept inhouse, Stepping outside the family hirachy and getting whitey involved would be worse then their current situation.Well said Metla This example must be admired. Humans learn by experience. If it hurts, don't do it. Many adults recall being beaten as children and vowing never to do the same themselves. So why do some fail to learn a pretty fundamental lesson ie. I'm not going to repeat my parents mistakes?Thanks Winston. My point exactly.	KiwiTT_NZ (233)
475360	2006-08-03 00:56:00	The parents of this kid should get beaten to death . End of story . definitely . . . . . . . . and in public . . . . . Show the parents the wrongness of violence by using violence against them? no . . . . . . show anyone who watches how nasty their ending will be if they get caught doing similar stuff . . . Violence begets violence begets violence . not necessarily . . . . . . violence sometimes Stops the perpertration of more violence	drcspy (146)
475361	2006-08-03 05:25:00	Got any facts or is it just heresay? see below. Madness. Suggest at some stage you track down and have a chat to either a violence or sexual abuse counciller who has worked in maori communities. In some areas its ingrained deeply into the comminty and destroys everyone whose brought up in the area, either directly or secound hand. They don't get to try and break the cycle untill these kids are grown up and in a new community.....Jail. The fact is it doesn't make the news because its kept inhouse, Stepping outside the family hirachy and getting whitey involved would be worse then their current situation. Well said Metla Ahhh ... so you are a follwer of heresay? @KiwiTT_NZ Like I said, show me facts, or keep the gossip to yaself	Myth (110)
475362	2006-08-03 09:53:00	The parents of this kid should get beaten to death . End of story . definitely . . . . . . . . and in public . . . . . Show the parents the wrongness of violence by using violence against them? no . . . . . . show anyone who watches how nasty their ending will be if they get caught doing similar stuff . . . Violence begets violence begets violence . not necessarily . . . . . . violence sometimes Stops the perpertration of more violence Violence has been tried over, oh, a few thousand years of human history as a deterrent . It doesn't work . The victims and sympathisers just wait until they become powerful enough to be perpertrators themselves and the cycle begins anew . People who commit such heinous crimes do not pause between blows to contemplate whether they will get the death penalty or life in prison . That is why such crimes keep happening . These people are so far removed from our cultural and social norms that such deterrents are futile . Every person in NZ must be so integrated as to share every one of our values . And violence must never be a component of any of our values . You should not see any such crimes if everyone abhors violence . Does this make sense to some of you? People who advocate violence as a fix are the ones perpertrating violence by proxy . This is the well-spring of the culture of violence that is endemic in NZ .	vinref (6194)
475363	2006-08-03 11:12:00	you cant be serious. These people didnt accidentally hurt a person. They KILLED a kid. What if it was your kid? People are too soft, especially when it comes to criminals. Jail is a joke and the crims know it. Do these people have to kill more before somebody says "Hey your a baddie! Yellow card for you mister!". Gimme a break.	rob_on_guitar (4196)
475364	2006-08-03 11:22:00	As I said before the majority of the social problems now manifesting in New Zealand are a direct result of the incompetent, bordering on criminal, economic mismanagement of the last 25 years and this is no surprise, it was predicted. Suck it, Right Wingers and the complacent who allowed it to happen, "eat the rich".	zqwerty (97)
475365	2006-08-03 12:13:00	It has nothing to do with the government or social policies, Its the work of the parents. End of story. If you treat your kids with resentment, fail to provide for their needs and teach (damage) them with violence then they will most likely inflict the same crap on their kids. Throw in the separatist crap that NZ is so big on at the moment and the problem explodes. You have a generation of young adults taught to hate the system and to resent their kids. I don't care when or why the issue started but the responcility to break the cycle starts and ends in the home. Forget the schemes, the money, the greviences, the "cant tread on anyones toes" crap, Face the freakin issue and deal with it. People need to take responcibility, The people doing this crap don't care in the slightest about the harm done, or the do-gooders that think they can fix it with a tear in their eye and a hug. They spit on you all.Is it just me or are the rest of them missing these points Metla. You hit the nail on the head with very valid points. Once one becomes an adult and thinks as such, one must take responsibility for their actions. They can't blame there upbringing, they can't blame the fact their parents beat them or beat each other. Its up to THE PERSON to make the change. Look carefully at the signature I have had on this forum for ages I didn't come here to tell you how this is going to end. I came here to tell how it's going to begin...... Where we go from there is a choice I leave to you. Where we go from there is a choice I leave to you ... think about it	Myth (110)
475366	2006-08-03 20:05:00	As I said before the majority of the social problems now manifesting in New Zealand are a direct result of the incompetent, bordering on criminal, economic mismanagement of the last 25 years and this is no surprise, it was predicted . Suck it, Right Wingers and the complacent who allowed it to happen, "eat the rich" . So now that you've reiterated several times the evils of "Right Winger" scum, are you going to enlighten us with a solution derived from your obviously superior intelligence, or are you just like all the other greenies and leftists who think that throwing another 200 Billion dollars at the problem will magically make it go away?? The present regime (might I point out a CENTRE LEFT govt) has not been able to tackle the problem with nearly 10 yrs of social tinkering, and billions of dollars, there are any number of free education initiatives, grants and other self help policies . . . . . Instead of smugly sitting in your ivory tower expostulating, and laying blame at the feet of everyone else, why don't you front up and accept your share of the blame, as it lays evenly on all of us for allowing successive governments, right and left, to craft us into our current situation .	straitjacket (9698)
475367	2006-08-03 20:25:00	I can understand (but not condone) a violent outburst once, maybe twice. We all have pressures at different times but this goes beyond this. This was a regular beating by not one but both parents. How ironic it would be if a court could apply the death penalty to this case - apparently you soil yourself at the time of execution.	sam m (517)
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