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| Thread ID: 71436 | 2006-08-06 02:25:00 | Diesel in Petrol Car | pctek (84) | PC World Chat |
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| 476380 | 2006-08-06 10:02:00 | Well at least you can't blame the useless attendants for this one :D Removing the powersteering belt from a car that has it will make the steering heavy a lot heavier then a car that doesn;t have it to start with. I suggest you try and adjust your driving skills a bit :rolleyes: |
plod (107) | ||
| 476381 | 2006-08-06 10:03:00 | Also any of you mechanics out there know if I can remove my power steering with out causing any hassles? It drove excellently without it, its overkill on my car, too sensitive. Its the same as my previous car which didn't have power steering at all. Mechanic next door isn't entirely sure, he did say the grakes work of a differnt thing altogether so no worries there. He suggested I just unhook the belt and see what happens - I thinks its whether the oil or something still gets fed into the steering box or not? I think on most Japanese cars, the power steering pump is driven by the fan belt, so you wouldn't want to disconnect that. |
alasta (6652) | ||
| 476382 | 2006-08-06 10:08:00 | I think on most Japanese cars, the power steering pump is driven by the fan belt, so you wouldn't want to disconnect that. being a frontwheel drive car there is no fan belt as such, fan is electrically driven seperatly not off the motor, but will effect alternator and air con if fitted I wouldn't be taken to much advice from your mechanic next door, |
plod (107) | ||
| 476383 | 2006-08-06 10:23:00 | Also any of you mechanics out there know if I can remove my power steering with out causing any hassles? It drove excellently without it, its overkill on my car, too sensitive. Its a 1989 Toyota Corolla. 1600cc, no fancy bits like power windows, injectors or anything. learn how to drive it. removing the power steering can make a car dangerous to drive. don't go taking off any belts without knowing what else it runs, some are driven off the main pully, others off the waterpump/alernator belt. if its really touchy to drive get your wheel alinement checked. |
tweak'e (69) | ||
| 476384 | 2006-08-06 10:57:00 | being a frontwheel drive car there is no fan belt as such, fan is electrically driven seperatly not off the motor, but will effect alternator and air con if fitted I wouldn't be taken to much advice from your mechanic next door, A lot of the ones I have seen have a separate fanbelt for the power steering - usually because they use a "V" type belt as opposed to the 'rib' style. There is normally a significant difference (usually a lot harder to steer) when the power steering unit is not working. I cant see what harm would come by removing the power steering belt (as long as it is the only thing it is driving) but wonder about lubrication, it might not be evident early on. I would check with your local Toyota service agents. |
sam m (517) | ||
| 476385 | 2006-08-06 11:04:00 | driving without the powersteering is still a dangerous thing. it may be light enough in normal situations but in other situations you will not have the strength to turn the wheel enough to avoid danger. | tweak'e (69) | ||
| 476386 | 2006-08-06 18:05:00 | You just KNEW I'd wedge in here somewhere . . . . . right? The power steering system on most, if not all FWD's is by pump and rack-and-pinion . The pump is driven by a belt . . . not a cogged, Gilmer type (as is the timing belt), but a "vee-belt" and has very little parasitic drag on the engine . Most pumps are not dynamic . . . that is, capable of changing volume or pressure output . Some are computer modulated, and these are variable . The "rack" as it is called, is just a dual-acting ram that is usually encased inside the whole steering assembly; valving and piston enclosed . Input from the steering wheel (driver's end) cause a float valve to shift to one side or the other to allow oil pressure to rise on one side of the ram/piston, pushing toward the lower-pressured side of the ram to "assist" the physical action of the driver . The ram, or piston is always pressurized on both sides . . . it's just the differential of pressure that causes the piston to "help" turn the steered wheels to move left or right . Forcing the steering wheel to the extreme left or right lifts a pressure safety valve (that buzz you hear when you do so) in the pump and keeps the system from going out of sight and blowing the hoses or seals . Don't force the system to lift the safety too much . . . it's very hard on the pump as the pressure is very high and a weak/older system will leak or blow out . Now . . as to removing the belt and operating without the pump assist; not a good idea as the system is meant to be pressurized at all times . Just removing the belt means that there's still oil left in the system, and especially the ram . . . and it might lock and refuse to move when you need it most . . . like if you are no longer wishing to go straight . The fluid would then need to be pushed out of the ram by the force from the steering wheel and that would require a lot of effort by the driver . You MAY get away with it for a while . . but an emergency manuever to get out of the way of a drunken bus driver with a load of nuns returning from a Sacred Retreat and All Night Dance Party in Horowhenua might be embarassing . Nuns recreate/party too! It WILL make the front pages of the local newspapers! Wishing to not see friends on F1 in such an accident or incident, I suggest you operate the vehicle as it was originally designed . Next time, just leave the new car order option box for POWER STEERING unchecked! BTW: I don't think vehicles, especially front wheel drivers, are capable of having manual steering installed from the factory . . . . it's a given that all of them get this non-option replaced automatically with power steering, at least power assist anyway! There is a difference in power steering and power assisted steering too! |
SurferJoe46 (51) | ||
| 476387 | 2006-08-06 21:19:00 | I have no problem if PCtek wants to disable the power steering and drive in an eternal straight line (as long as I'm not in the vicinity!), but I am deeply concerned that SurferJoe knows we have nuns holding Sacred Retreats and All Night Dance Parties in Horowhenua (it's supposed to be a secret Joe!!!!) :xmouth: | Shortcircuit (1666) | ||
| 476388 | 2006-08-06 22:01:00 | Geez you guys. It DOESN'T NEED power steering. I drove (without engine power - on a tow rope) 42kms home. You think I don't know how it steers without the unnecessary power steering? This Toyota is the same as my old one which had NO power steering. It really doesn't need it, its so easy to steer without it I could do it with my nose. It only weighs 850kg. Do you know how light that is for a car? Nor does my husbands ute have PS. His is harder at very low speed and I don't have a problem steering that either. You're all wimps. The heaviest to steer car we owned was an Austin Cambridge. Never once had a problem driving that either. But, I asked the garage guys this morning. Yes, I could take it out without a problem, but they won't let me. Because it has it, it has to be using it or it won't get its WOF. They said I'd have to change the steering rack for it to be WOF legal. So stuck with the stupid, unnecessary thing. Oh and it doesn't have air con either. The PS is the only "modern" thing in it. Thats the way I like my cars, clutter free, its just more rubbish to go wrong. |
pctek (84) | ||
| 476389 | 2006-08-07 02:47:00 | unlike adding petrol to a diesel motor whihc goes BOOM leaving you will an exspencive repair job Back in 2000, I drove a passenger shuttle van in the Wellington area . It was a diesel (Toyota Hiace) . Early one morning, a service station operator put petrol in the tank and I set off up Ngauranga Gorge and out to Papakowhai to pick up passenger for the airport . It pinked going up the gorge . I checked the receipt from the service station and noticed it said Petrol . Base called the service station which confirmed their mistake . As I had a passenger waiting, I carried on, picked up the passenger and returned as far as Thorndon . There, I offloaded the passenger to another van . A mechanic drained the tank, replaced the fuel filter and towed me to the nearest service station . After refiling the tank with diesel, motor started straight off - on that motor, the injectors are self bleeding . No problem . Because a diesel injects just after top dead centre, I don't think that there was much chance of the petrol / diesel mix igniting early with the BOOM . Jim |
Hhel (8073) | ||
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