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Thread ID: 71305	2006-08-02 00:41:00	He was only three years old ... killed by his parents.	KiwiTT_NZ (233)	PC World Chat

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475328	2006-08-02 02:36:00	Is there a forum in NZ where political, social and economic issues are discussed actively. The Game Planet forum (www.gpforums.co.nz) sometimes has some lively discussions. You should have been there when the "celebrity" drug name-supression thing was going on. :thumbs:	Peterj116 (6762)
475329	2006-08-02 02:41:00	Looks good. I may hang out there too!	KiwiTT_NZ (233)
475330	2006-08-02 02:57:00	Equally culpable are the "whanau", neighbours and others who heard the kid screaming or saw the bruises and did nothing . There are no excuses, nobody else is to blame, it is not society's fault that they are losers, and they can't blame it on their own parents either . If you were beaten as a child, you'd sure as hell not want that to happen to your own children . Billy Hear hear . Well said . :thumbs: There is something pretty basic here which is overlooked by the apologists who blame family violence on unemployment, poverty, and despair . What they fail to mention is that protection of our babies and children is hardwired into our brains . It is one of the most basic instincts . This is because your child represents immortality for your genes and protecting that gene pool is a primary drive . So a mother who abuses or stands by watching abuse of her child has to actually overcome her primary instincts . Why? Why allow this to happen? Females are generally braver and more determined at protecting their young - except it seems for certain individuals . There is something wrong here at a very primary level . Millions of mothers live in poverty without abusing their children .	Winston001 (3612)
475331	2006-08-02 03:48:00	Hear hear. Well said. :thumbs: There is something pretty basic here which is overlooked by the apologists who blame family violence on unemployment, poverty, and despair. What they fail to mention is that protection of our babies and children is hardwired into our brains. It is one of the most basic instincts. ROTFL Look around.... the most basic instinct these days is SELF-preservation.. such is the way that society has gone. I would gladly die for my kid, but I see a lot of Maori AND pakeha adults that are too self contained in their own lives to even teach/help their kid develop and grow.	Myth (110)
475332	2006-08-02 05:06:00	ROTFL Look around . . . . the most basic instinct these days is SELF-preservation . . such is the way that society has gone . I would gladly die for my kid, but I see a lot of Maori AND pakeha adults that are too self contained in their own lives to even teach/help their kid develop and grow . Certainly self-preservation is primary but it isn't anything new . In fact the two over-riding instincts are self-preservation and reproduction . These are primordial = Survival . Everything else is social conditioning which is powerful enough in itself . Quite why some adult humans ignore their children is a puzzle but I'd suggest it isn't wide-spread . Our society would cease to function otherwise . What you are pointing to is disinterested parenting which is a slightly different problem . That can be fixed if we as a society make parenting education compulsory . In fact I'd like to see no-one having a baby without learning parenting skills first, but that's a century away at least . :rolleyes:	Winston001 (3612)
475333	2006-08-02 06:09:00	Jailing them is no answer, the mother didn't seek help beacuse she was afraid of going to jail, so it made it WORSE for the child. She should have got help before she beat him up - they were saying she didn't seek help once he was dying. And no jail isn't the answer. We should just put a bullet in the back of their heads. That will work.	pctek (84)
475334	2006-08-02 07:55:00	It seems that if some Maori bash each other and kids as a cultural norm, its the culture that thas to be changed. According to the newspaper, I do believe the kid was Tongan Actually I heard that in some regions in New Zealand, it is the right of Maori elders to break in the girls when they turn 12. I suspect sexual abuse on children is also not reported for similar reasons, in this culture. Got any facts or is it just heresay?	Myth (110)
475335	2006-08-02 08:25:00	Hear hear . Well said . :thumbs: There is something pretty basic here which is overlooked by the apologists who blame family violence on unemployment, poverty, and despair . What they fail to mention is that protection of our babies and children is hardwired into our brains . It is one of the most basic instincts . This is because your child represents immortality for your genes and protecting that gene pool is a primary drive . So a mother who abuses or stands by watching abuse of her child has to actually overcome her primary instincts . Why? Why allow this to happen? Females are generally braver and more determined at protecting their young - except it seems for certain individuals . There is something wrong here at a very primary level . Millions of mothers live in poverty without abusing their children . Unfortunately, the only other thing you can blame is the perpetrator . And since actions such as these are inexpilcable to all normal people, you would have to ascribe to the perpetrator aspects such as evil, insane, or subhuman . This simply moves the blame on again to something else that you cannot do anything about, and nothing gets done . We as a society must act to prevent these things . These people must not be allowed to be so isolated from our cultural and social norms that they could even contemplate doing these things . Integrate them . Educate them . By the way, Silvia Cartwright has complained about the terrible rate of violence in NZ ( . smh . com . au/news/WORLD/NZ-violence-a-dark-secret-says-GG/2006/08/02/1154198192260 . html" target="_blank">www . smh . com . au) . Reported in the Sydney Morning Herald, but can't find it in the NZHerald .	vinref (6194)
475336	2006-08-02 08:58:00	I always thought of self preservation and preservation of our children as much the same thing, after all our children are the part of us that will be around long after the maggots have lost interest in what we are now. But anyway, i advice against trying to understand the criminal mind, or the mind of someone who would slowly kill her children by trying to think what would deter the healthy. Concepts such as deterrent are laughable, sure a healthy mind might think twice about doing something because of consequences, but someone who would slowly kill her children clearly is not a healthy mind.	personthingy (1670)
475337	2006-08-02 09:03:00	Interesting that the pedophiles are all pakeha .... Madness. Suggest at some stage you track down and have a chat to either a violence or sexual abuse counciller who has worked in maori communities. In some areas its ingrained deeply into the comminty and destroys everyone whose brought up in the area, either directly or secound hand. They don't get to try and break the cycle untill these kids are grown up and in a new community.....Jail. The fact is it doesn't make the news because its kept inhouse, Stepping outside the family hirachy and getting whitey involved would be worse then their current situation.	Metla (12)
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