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Thread ID: 93737	2008-09-29 04:02:00	New Desktop - Good deal?	callum_62 (10112)	Press F1

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708601	2008-09-29 20:44:00	Thanks guys. re: the trader, all his feedback is good, and his communication with my questions (heaps) has been fantastic (responses usually within 20mins of email). ofcourse, I havent handed over the money yet, so maybe the reason why. the spec on the com are pretty good though, but as advised, thats not the be all and end all...... cheers guys	callum_62 (10112)
708602	2008-09-29 20:45:00	wainuitech - dont tell me pricespy is a joke, ive build countless pcs using prices on there without a glitch Thats fine for you but an awful lot of the cheap places listed there have no after sales service at all. If you stick with the reputable ones its OK but Wainuitech runs a business. Why would he buy retail and then onsell to his customers when he can use his wholesalers? Who provide good support. Unlike a lot of Pricespy listed shops. As for the PC its price is good, the CPU isn't anything amazing but if its not being used for gaming then it doesn't matter much. I'd avoid the PUS for sure. I'd avoid any bundled with case PSU for that matter. And its rather low watts. I put 400ws in my budget boxes. Of a decent quality. I'm not overly excited by Abit either.............sorry, Solmeister. The other problem I have with TM boxes is the warranties. Or lack of them. You should get something like: MB, CPU - 3 yrs HDD, RAM - 5 yrs PSU 2yrs etc.... Bet you don't.	pctek (84)
708603	2008-09-29 20:49:00	I'd avoid the PUS for sure. I'd avoid any bundled with case PSU for that matter. And its rather low watts. I put 400ws in my budget boxes. Of a decent quality. Dead right. Puss. :clap Smallest we put in are 400w now too, and again, of a decent quality. Anything with a graphics card, no matter how low end, MUST have (at least) two +12v rails, and plenty of amperage on them. PowerMan PSUs are good value, low end PSUs of a decent quality (would be good for the build you're looking at getting). A PSU is the only component that's connected to everything in the PC, it needs to be good, and it needs to be powerful enough. An underpowered PSU is a recipe for disaster, if it blows, there's the potential for it to take the rest of the PC with it. Abit - IMO they are average. They are not what they used to be, should be OK for what you want though. I'd say you could go for it if you really want to, but get him to sell it without the PSU. I'd expect $30 - $50 off the price.	wratterus (105)
708604	2008-09-29 22:03:00	Anything with a graphics card, no matter how low end, MUST have (at least) two +12v rails, and plenty of amperage on them. The power supply is probably the most neglected component on PC. Usually when buying a computer, we just take on account the processor type and clock, the motherboard model, the video card model, the quantity of installed memory, the hard disk storage capacity, and we forget about the power supply, which, in fact, is the one who supplies the "fuel" for the PC parts to operate properly. A power supply of good quality and with enough capacity can increase the durability of your equipment and reduce your electricity bill (we will explain why when discussing efficiency). Just to have an idea, a high-quality power supply will cost less than 5% of the PC total price. On the other hand, a low-quality power supply can cause several intermittent problems, which are mostly difficult to be solved. A defective or bad-intentioned power supply can lock the PC, can result in hard disk bad blocks, can result in the infamous "blue screen of death" errors and random resets and freezings, added to many other problems. Power supplies are labeled according to the maximum power they can deliver – at least in theory. The problem is that a lot of power supplies can’t deliver their labeled power, usually because the manufacturer: * Labeled the power supply with peak wattage, which can only be achieved during some seconds and, in some cases, in less than one second. * Measured the power supply maximum wattage with an unrealistic room temperature, normally 25º C (77º F), while thetemperature inside the PC will always be higher than that – at least 35º C (95º F). Semiconductors and inductors have a physical effect calling de-rating where they lose their ability to deliver current (and thus power) with temperature (see Figure 28). So a maximum power measured at a lower temperature may not be achieved when temperature is increased. * Simply lied. This is probably the case with “generic” units. multiple-rail design and is the most popular design nowadays. On power supplies using this design you will see more than one +12 V rail being listed on their labels (e.g. +12V1, +12V2, +12V3, etc) – see Figure 29 for a real example. One side effect of the multiple-rail design is that you need to worry about power distribution: if you pull too much current/power from a given rail it will shut down if you reach the rail’s OCP trigger current, even if your PC is working under normal circumstances – for example, if you have your CPU and two video cards connected to the same rail (the solution is to move at least one of these components to a different rail). This happens because the OCP trigger current on the multiple-rail design is set to a lower value compared to a single-rail design. But pay close attention, because several power supplies are advertised as using multiple-rail design but their over current protection is set at a value that is so high that it works just like a single-rail design. Some units don’t have any over current protection at all, being in fact single-rail units.	pctek (84)
708605	2008-09-29 22:29:00	:thumbs:	wratterus (105)
708606	2008-09-30 04:56:00	First thing I do when I'm looking at building a new system is download the mobo manual for the one I'm thinking of using and see what they recommend as the wattage for the PSU then I look at PSU's last one I bought was a Silverstone strider for $117 500w from Ascent been great so far	gary67 (56)
708607	2008-09-30 07:30:00	First thing I do when I'm looking at building a new system is download the mobo manual for the one I'm thinking of using and see what they recommend as the wattage for the PSU then I look at PSU's last one I bought was a Silverstone strider for $117 500w from Ascent been great so far according to the manual 3000W is min recommended. He said he will upgrade to 400W free of charge	callum_62 (10112)
708608	2008-10-01 01:13:00	according to the manual 3000W is min recommended. He said he will upgrade to 400W free of charge Uhh, 300w? Unless you're farming Quad-SLI setups you shouldn't need a 3000w PSU. :D	wratterus (105)
708609	2008-10-01 02:41:00	Uhh, 300w? Unless you're farming Quad-SLI setups you shouldn't need a 3000w PSU. :D or has hundreds of hard drives?	hueybot3000 (3646)
708610	2008-10-01 03:06:00	Obvious typo but cant resist - 3000 W & All that for $500 (www.acquire.co.nz) Cheap at any advertised price.;) Sorry couldn't resist.	wainuitech (129)
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