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Thread ID: 72173	2006-09-02 07:19:00	New World Order	nobody (5086)	PC World Chat

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482212	2006-09-05 06:22:00	did any of u guys watch the video, or did u think u were risking your IQ :groan: because i assure you it will be quite the opposite, trust me when i say theres a lot you dont know (and yes theres real evidence) Im a New Zealander too, i just thought it was very interesting and important stuff. As for the oil crisis, it will be ok as long as Steorn is telling the truth, wont need any alternative fuels if we can extract energy from the quantum vacume, it has been approximated to be 10^60 J of energy per m^2 of vacume, but dont quote me on that, i dont think i remember exacly, but it was a HUGE number.	nobody (5086)
482213	2006-09-05 13:29:00	What concerns me is big corporations controlling and deciding what THEY say is safe to eat with genetic made food . The seeds they sell to the farmer are intially cheaper then the real seeds but they only last one season and kill/modify the real seeds(plants) so in the end the farmer has to keep buying from the corporation who can then raise their price once they know they have the farmer by the short and curly's . Plus you have the problem with other farms getting contaminated from the geneticly modify seed/plant farms . Once the corporations have killed all the natural food then they can control people as they will have nothing else to eat . And hey we all got to eat and so they know they would have us all by the short and curly's . And could increase there price's once they controlled all the food . And what if after so many years of eating this modifyed food we started to get new or more illness,cancer,health problems etc . Lucky the Greenies have tried to stop this from happening as best they can for the moment,until we become complacent that is . :thumbs: You know if you told someone this say 50 years ago people would not believe that this could happen,but look whats happened today . :2cents: Oh and I am not a greenie or lefty or anything like that,(I am in the RNZIR)I just have an open mind and can see what could happen if we behave like sheep like we usually do .	memphis (2869)
482214	2006-09-05 15:51:00	Memphis...your: And what if after so many years of eating this modifyed food we started to get new or more illness,cancer,health problems etc. What concerns me is big corporations controlling and deciding what THEY say is safe to eat with genetic made food. ...doesn't make much sense if you realize that we (as humans) do not eat food at the DNA level. We consume the greater molecules and leave the truly smaller factions alone as they pass thru our alimentary canal.	SurferJoe46 (51)
482215	2006-09-06 01:59:00	I'm kinda sorry to say Nobody, that Google video spat the dummy 2/3 of the way through the download. I did catch some of the streamed video though and from what I saw, it looked like a load of sensational, albeit tedious drivel, that which is commonly passed off as a documentary these days, although I can't say either way whether there is some truth or not in the assertions made. So the upshot is, I can't be arsed wasting bandwidth on it again. What is starting to bother me, more than a little, about the state of our world and the geopolitical affairs that abound, is what Winnie has raised in respect to sustainability and long term, irreversible, damage to the surface of "our" planet and the inability of current economic, political and cultural (civilisation) to recognise let alone deal with the issues in any manner of consequence. There are fundemental flaws in our systems that will do for us, if we don't act fast and decisively in the relatively near future. Example: I posted two words earlier in the thread, "Peak Oil". We are probably already on the slippery slope down the other side of the planets oil reserves, while at the same time consumption (and emissions) increase. Bio-fuels are the answer, you say. Ok, I say, well replace some corn, wheat, rice and potato fields with bio-fuel crops. Do you see the problem; increasing population, more land taken in occupation, less arable land due to degradation/warming/over-cropping, (the land is becoming less fertile, not more, we could cut some trees down to plant crops, yay!!!). Genetics will provide the food and the fuel (apart from breaking 2nd laws), the agri-corporations that produce genetically modified seed do not have the as their foremost aim to put their seed business down the gurgler by providing vastly more efficient plants, they want to sell more seed. As an aside, isn't it funny that efficient farming is heavily reliant on petrolium in almost every aspect of the process, from planting to putting it in your mouth (unless you're into subsistence). Peak oil, or more accurately the other side of the bell curve, could, rather ironically, be the planets saviour but, civilisation's, as we know it, demise. That's if the numbers are the most pessimistic and we run out of oil fairly quickly and the emissions abruply cease. Of course if that happens the shyte will hit the fan in a big way. No doubt there will be contingencies in place, but they won't include you and me, well maybe they will, someone will have to plant the trees, chop the wood, plow the fields, harvest the crops and weave the mats, etc. Oh, and, for a bit of extra protein in their diet, some lucky sods will get to fend off the marauders from the neghbouring fiefdom. :rolleyes:	Murray P (44)
482216	2006-09-06 02:31:00	Yep. There is just too many of us. Solution: a War (starting in the Middle East), a plague (birdflu spreading from Asia). That should do it. Actually, the plan I stated above is already happening, give it time, and these problems will be dealt with. oops "tin-foil" hat on again.	KiwiTT_NZ (233)
482217	2006-09-06 02:36:00	Someone in 001's diatribe said,tax is a good thing,means we are civilised,or words to that affect.Any lefty would agree,but the thoughtful realise that too much tax is a disincentive. So what is the answer?the answer is to tax land only.Why I hear you cry,the fact is,that the community create the value of land and therefore that value should be the tax that goes to the community.	Cicero (40)
482218	2006-09-06 11:56:00	Peak oil, or more accurately the other side of the bell curve, could, rather ironically, be the planets saviour but, civilisation's, as we know it, demise. No doubt there will be contingencies in place, but they won't include you and me, well maybe they will, someone will have to plant the trees, chop the wood, plow the fields, harvest the crops and weave the mats, etc. Great post Murray. I read a piece a few days ago predicting that we will move back to towns and villages again with more people living on the land. Not entirely convinced but it is an interesting prediction. Well made point about oil and agriculture. Diesel to plant a crop, fertiliser from oil to make it grow, more diesel to harvest and transport it - food is very energy intensive the way we produce it. Perhaps it will take a plague but the worlds population growth has to reverse. The planet can't keep up with our demands. There are millions of organisms in the top 6 inches of soil and soil is disappearing all over the world. Plants don't grow without healthy soil.	Winston001 (3612)
482219	2006-09-07 04:49:00	Yeah! The more you delve in to the various aspects of human impact on the planet and, the so called, "human condition", the more complex the thing gets . I'm trying to figure out whether we have outpaced ourselves, in that, our culture and societies haven't kept pace with our "advancements" or, our advancements havent kept pace with our ambition and relative immaturity (as a species) . Whatever, I don't have any doubt that we are fast approaching crunch time, maybe even past it . As a rule, the world changes very slowly, but has shown in the past that is will react very quickly to introduced, catastrophic, influences . Either we modify drastically, or get modified drastically, a la dinosaurs, neanderthal man, mega fauna, Mayans, etc . Dire times ahead for our children? Jeez, I'm starting to sound like a tree hugger, I assure you I am not .	Murray P (44)
482220	2006-09-07 05:36:00	Jeez, I'm starting to sound like a tree hugger, I assure you I am not. Come now Murray, there's nothing wrong with a little tree hugging now and then. Back to the subject "Terrorstorm" I have seen quite a few of Alex Jones' docos, he does tend to be a little selective in his reportage and his manner is, I find, rather annoying . I watched Terrorstorm last night and quite frankly found it disturbing in the least, it certainly posed a few questions that I feel should be answered. Had the narration been done by Richard Attenborough, or some other narrator with a more believable delivery I think many more would be convinced. I also watched "When the Levees Broke" a four parter by Spike Lee and read an interesting article in Rolling Stone www.rollingstone.com There is definitely something going on that is not in the best interests of the majority of us on this planet. Perhaps the tree huggers are not the enemy.	JackStraw (6573)
482221	2006-09-07 06:11:00	Come now Murray, there's nothing wrong with a little tree hugging now and then. Back to the subject "Terrorstorm" I have seen quite a few of Alex Jones' docos, he does tend to be a little selective in his reportage and his manner is, I find, rather annoying . I watched Terrorstorm last night and quite frankly found it disturbing in the least, it certainly posed a few questions that I feel should be answered. Had the narration been done by Richard Attenborough, or some other narrator with a more believable delivery I think many more would be convinced. I also watched "When the Levees Broke" a four parter by Spike Lee and read an interesting article in Rolling Stone www.rollingstone.com There is definitely something going on that is not in the best interests of the majority of us on this planet. Perhaps the tree huggers are not the enemy. This something is going on?can we assume someone is behind it,do we have names and where do they go when it all turns to custard?	Cicero (40)
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