Forum Home
PC World Chat
Thread ID: 72158	2006-09-02 00:18:00	Vista for the Rich	pctek (84)	PC World Chat

Post ID	Timestamp	Content	User
482058	2006-09-03 08:43:00	One of the ways I think they could do is if a person uses internet, some people don't in reality. To those that does, it requires tri monthly automatic activation that requires updates to be installed as well and checks for its authenticity. MS will then have a team working on this little thing of their's. May not be the perfect answer but if its annoying enough it can have some usage. Or require credit card online activation only and no telephone calling or mail the cheque in the mail. Drop the price of Windows and make it all subscription based. When its superceded no more subscription is required. However I guess if people are able to knock out the core of it then anything MS does is limited. Just a side point. Would Linux always be free? If they become successful would they move away from that or be it slightly?	Nomad (952)
482059	2006-09-03 09:11:00	I'm not sure whether you were being sarcastic or not with half of this. I've been known to miss it before :) One of the ways I think they could do is if a person uses internet, some people don't in reality. To those that does, it requires tri monthly automatic activation that requires updates to be installed as well and checks for its authenticity. MS will then have a team working on this little thing of their's. It's called WGA. May not be the perfect answer but if its annoying enough it can have some usage. Or require credit card online activation only and no telephone calling or mail the cheque in the mail. Drop the price of Windows and make it all subscription based. When its superceded no more subscription is required. Many (well, some) people don't have credit cards. However I guess if people are able to knock out the core of it then anything MS does is limited. Just a side point. Would Linux always be free? If they become successful would they move away from that or be it slightly? Yes, Linux will always be free as it is an open source product. The difference between "freeware" and open source is that freeware licences still restrict what the user is permitted to do. Open source licences by definition provide full access to the source code (making changes possible) and permit modification and redistribution of the software by any user without requiring the permission of the original author. Once you release software under an open source licence the cat is out of the bag - you can never recall or cancel the license (although you can distribute newer copies under a different licence - you still own your original code). Users of open source software can never be held ransom at the whim of the original producers. If enough people dislike their management of the project, they may decide to "fork" the project and create their own version, which is perfectly legal and not uncommon.	TGoddard (7263)
482060	2006-09-03 09:13:00	Whaaa! So expensive! I wonder if I get a notebook with Vista in it will affect the cost.:waughh: The price is gotta kill me. :) But if people want Vista they should be preparing the price to pay for it. Oh well, looks like I need to cut down my budget cost for a notebook next year. Or maybe not.	PedalSlammer (8511)
482061	2006-09-03 11:28:00	Well I think, despite the cost people are still going to go for it, because its new and the latest. If people can afford fancy laptops and many do not play games and if people can afford fancy cellphones and other things, Vista is nothing.	Nomad (952)
482062	2006-09-03 11:32:00	Gotta ask this: When Vista is released, will WinXP still continue to be for sale? My guess is NO, except for lingering stock. And will MS allow PC's to be made with only Vista OEM instead of XP ?	Strommer (42)
482063	2006-09-03 12:15:00	Windows users really do make me laugh. Most seem to think that it will be uncrackable, etc, etc. Uhh, how do I break this to you nicely? WRONG. SP2 introduced WGA, I believe it was cracked in a couple of weeks. There was also another hack (using the updates site java) to circumvent another security measure that stopped pirated copies updating. That I believe was released within hours, maybe days. There will always be a way to get around anything that MS tries to throw at those with pirated copies. You just gotta know where to look. I have had computers with pirated copies bought to me with users asking for a fix to this popup that keeps bothering them. I tell them to buy a legal copy. They say "but I hear theres a registry fix or something". I know nothing :) Personally, I believe Vista won't flop. Windows is all about convenience. Apple hardware is too expensive, and Linux is [apparently] too hard to set up. Besides that, the vast majority are unfamiliar with both of these, and unfamiliarity breeds insecurity, and lord help us we might actually have to take a chance and do something different. So people will buy the new hardware required, and pay the ludicrous prices for Vista. Why, coz they know that they can take it home, plug it in, and everything will go. If it blue screens, oh well.. take it to the shop.. thats just windows doing its thing. It was expected to happen sooner or later anyway. If it wont boot and spits out a "file is corrupt or missing" error, just another day at the office. I personally won't be buying it, I will stay with my Linux. My g/f doesn't have the hardware to run it, and even if she did I suspect she will want me to install Linux on it (she seems to be rather impressed by what my system is capable of). I might borrow someones machine to look at it, get some familiarity for when I have to repair it.	Myth (110)
482064	2006-09-03 12:59:00	Heh, what most seem to be missing is how MS and its partners want the market to respond. Back in the day when they released a new OS it immedialty created a massive and prolonged spike in sales of new computers. When XP was released it didn't happen, well at least not in the numbers that MS and partners wanted, So in many quarters it was considered a flop, Sure every new comp was/is bundled with a copy but if XP didn't exist then those same comps still would have been bundled with an MS OS. Many (and there are millions upon millions upon millions of comps out there) people simply went fine, I can ignore XP and stick to my current rig and OS untill when it suits me to upgrade (as noted many times in the past a new set of bells and whistles on the market doesn't make you old faithfull any less faithfull or capable). And where was the benifit for companies to upgrade from W2k to XP?...Especially as XP is W2k with thousands more security holes and resource sucking fluff. How does eye candy get work done faster? Anyhow, Vista is a concerted effort to kick the market so hard that we all run out and buy a brand new Vista enabled rig from Dell or HP, its no mistake that buying the software alone is so expensive, nor that the system requirments are so high as to force most people who want Vista to buy an entire new rig. MS are once again trying to shape the people to fit there marketing plan, But this time there is even less reason to upgrade (XP is rock solid in most aspects) and more reasons not to (price, Security holes in the billions in any new MS OS, System requirments, DRM, Customers are jaded by MS BS) Which is why imo it will flop, even as it supersedes XP on all new comps, It simply wont invigorate the market in the way that MS's partners are hoping it will, They surely must realise its not 1995 anymore and we already have a gui, Making it transparent doesn't mean crap and doesn't qualify even as a feature let alone a killer app. Besides, Most people surf, play with a few photo's, Yet they are expected to shell out for a full blown high-endgaming rig so they can run there OS? Ah well, I supose I can amuse myself with the bad press as DRM bites people and they find out what MS have forbidden them to do on their own PC, and when the next hack rages across the internet deftly steping around the new "security features" and lays waste to the OS. Still, it will mean the Likes of Telecom can continue "leasing" an anti-virus program to its customers. So many suckers out there (if your currently leasing an anti-virus app from Xtra/Telecom then yes, Its you I am referring to)	Metla (12)
482065	2006-09-03 20:31:00	I go with you Metla: Vista will not sell as much as MS predicts. There simply is no big incentive to get it. XP is mostly "rock solid", non-MS AV, firewalls, etc, cover the security holes, as well as smart operator practice. So why get Vista when most PC's will probably not be able to handle it or will lag with its resource demands? But I still wonder: When Vista is released, will WinXP still continue to be for sale? My guess is NO, except for lingering stock. And will MS allow PC's to be made with only Vista OEM instead of XP ?	Strommer (42)
482066	2006-09-03 21:07:00	But Metla, its not the average home user wanting to upgrade that makes all the sales. Its companies. Akld Uni is going to install it, they are going to have to get new PCs but they are almost at the end of their 3 yrs anyway so they don'tt care. A lot of other big businesses will too. And it will become the O/S when you buy a new Dell, Compaq, etc. Thats how it gets out to begin with, regardless of whether the rest of us avoid it. Look how prevalent XP is now.... And MS will encourage it by not supporting it, drivers will become harder to find for newer hardware etc.... Its why I now have XP on this PC - no Win98 drivers for everything - especially the MB.	pctek (84)
482067	2006-09-04 06:37:00	So many suckers out there (if your currently leasing an anti-virus app from Xtra/Telecom then yes, Its you I am referring to) lol. Those softwares are crap and can't even detect files at all.:dogeye: It's a waste of money at least my BitDefender is working. Thank god at least a famous Anti-Virus is working.;) By the way I'm not a fancy spender. But new OS does have some new features in there.	PedalSlammer (8511)
1 2 3 4 5 6