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Thread ID: 72238	2006-09-05 07:29:00	Discuss--Why kiwi blokes turn H/lights on in broad daylight...	WestMclaren2004 (7303)	PC World Chat

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482729	2006-09-05 15:38:00	California has DDL's (daytime driving lights) that are high beam, but they turn off all the other lights at the same time . The only lights on are the high beams . Of course, turn signals, brake lights and emergency flashers are capable of working during that time . Vehicles so equipped also have automatic ambient light sensors that turn on the rest of the lights and also dim the highs to low, when it's dark enough to require all lights lit . Some DDL's are extremely bright ambers instead of white . California used to have an "all lights on or none at all" law that forbid this type of lighting, but the laws changed when the insurance lobbies insisted that having DDL's was a safety issue . There are roads that have signs informing the other drivers that they are to use their headlights on that particular stretch of highway . . . and it is defied by every old fart that I can see, the same ones who refuse to wear their seatbelts . Their mule didn't have such lights back in '08, and they never had an accident . :annoyed: Most illegal aliens of Spanish ancestry also scoff at the laws and drive without seatbelts for any of the 12 or so kids in the car, their wives and themselves . They usually drive without the aid of driver's licenses, insurance or vehicle registration either . Their headlights are all out of adjustment and it's just as well that they don't have them on if they could . Korean and Chinese drive legally most of the time, although are a traffic menace as they don't signal, drive too slowly and won't stay in the marked lanes . Islamics drive with them all the time . They are very conservative on the road as they cannot see peripherally because of their burkas and head coverings and black-out sunglasses . :cool: Middle Europeans drive with them about 50% of the time, Germans are the worst flaunters, English about 75% in compliance, and the Nordics and Russian-types are usually 100% legal . I won't mention the Italians . :dogeye: Youse guys need some more infiltration from other countries to see that you have never had it so good, right now . All the posts about legal this-and-that remind me of the US about 40 years ago . . . you are on a very slippery slope . :D	SurferJoe46 (51)
482730	2006-09-05 22:46:00	With some european countries (scandanavian ones especially) it is the law i can imagen, some of those countries have 'dusk' 24/7 for 6 months (well....something like that, poor light for a long period of time) edit: good to see a lot more people driving just before dusk with dipped lights on. no if only they can stop driving around corners on the wrong side of the road......	tweak'e (69)
482731	2006-09-06 08:50:00	All our company cars come out with the mod that switch on the head lights during the day. Our accidents - primarily caused by our lady drivers (sorry ladies) - fell by > 50% so now the mod it's cast in stone and will never change. Does not really bother me much. Btw - our cars are red in colour - but apparently some people don't see them on the road - city and open road. Weird. sarel	sarel (2490)
482732	2006-09-06 15:31:00	I thought red was such a vibrant color too . . . until I started making and flying RC aircraft . . . . . red just turned into a muddy black-ish color and became very hard to judge for distance and direction . I fount the best color(s) to be red, white and blue . . . . . not because of any nationalism . . . just because they are more visable contrast-wise . Yellows didn't work well . . . but orange did a lot better . Grey and brown was a disaster unless I kept the plane close . Blue was a mixture of good and bad .	SurferJoe46 (51)
482733	2006-09-06 16:03:00	Luminous and reflective paint and/or sticky-on stuff is easy to obtain.	Greg (193)
482734	2006-09-07 04:30:00	As a motorcyclist I have to agree that "lights on" are good for visibility, but the lights have to be correctly adjusted so as not to dazzle (even during the day) other motorists. I note that the later Commodore SS with fog lights are too bright (or misadjusted). You only need so much light during the day to help your visibility.	dolby digital (5073)
482735	2006-09-07 04:51:00	I can remember a few years ago a Reader's Digest book loudly trumpeting a great revelation of "The most important simple thing you can do to prevent accidents" . Upon reading the article it was claimed that research around the world showed that driving with your lights on during the day cut back the number of accidents dramatically . I believe there is some truth to that as vehicles with lights on are a lot more visible than those with them off, particularly outside the city, but I often wonder how effective it would be if everyone in cities drove with them on . It is certainly true that motorcycles are far more visible with their light on wherever they ride .	FoxyMX (5)
482736	2006-09-09 01:43:00	Recently I was requested to stop by a police officer and handed a $150.00 infringement notice for inappropriate use of fog lights. As I was unaware that I was breaking the law you could imagine my surprise. I contested the infringement twice to no avail, but they informed that it was LTNZ's responsibility to inform the public of new laws. The reason that I contested the infringement was not to get out of paying the excessive fine, but to contest the lack of public awareness surrounding this surprising infringement. Upon informing many friends and colleagues of my infringement, no one had heard or realised that they were supposed to stay informed with updated road code releases and public notices. Moreover, I have noticed at least 60% of cars with factory fitted fog lights are used both day and night, and some cars automatically come on when the car is started. The point I am making here and where the most of my frustration lies, is with the fact that motorists are still unaware of the law change specific to this related infringement. Am I an unfortunate victim of circumstance? Am I an unfortunate victim of an officers KPI? Or do I just get written off as an illiterate public statistic? I am sure if there was sufficient community awareness on a multimedia level prior to this infringement, then I am sure public awareness towards this particular infringement would be a hell of a lot lower if not zero (re: $150.00 potential fine) The excuse the officer gave me for this infringement was that I was quote "burning peoples retina's out" unquote. As fog lights have a wide short beam pointing downwards so as not to reflect back off the fog into the drivers eyes, I can't see how this would be burning oncoming drivers retina's out. Can you? This is the design of the light. Upon checking my fog lights against my low beam headlights, they were somewhat duller than the headlights. I am sure you are thinking at this stage that it was unfortunate that I got a police officer in a bad day, I deserve this infringement and should shake it off and move on, but my beef is that I am a law biding citizen that does my best to stay on the right side of the law. If I had known this was an infringement I would not have allowed myself to be in this situation in the first place. I would have also ensured that my friends and colleagues were made aware of this too. I feel it is now my duty to ensure that there is a stronger and more community based awareness made. You are always advertising speeding, then why can't you make the same effort to inform the public of revenue collecting infringements that motorists are less aware of. I feel you have an obligation. Simply putting a miniature public notice and updating road codes are insufficient to cover yourselves and the police as a more informative community based organisation. Surely, drivers with burned out retinas are more dangerous than speeding. There are people out there that can't afford to pay these exorbitant fines, and yes I have paid my fine. I am really disappointed and disillusioned with your organisation and the fact that I have had to endure consequences as a result of it. If these lights are such a problem then why do you pass compliance when fitted with them. I was using them at dawn in low partial light not in conjunction with my headlights, so people could see me. As thousands of other drivers do everyday. Including truck and taxi drivers. As these professional drivers you would think that they would be aware of such an infringement. Alas, obviously they are not. So do the right thing and inform the public in a more efficient and effective manner. I also intend to local media and my local member of parliament to ensure that this matter is dealt with. May I suggest that all new road law be listed in people’s vehicle registration notices. I look forward to a reply and hopefully future changes to the way you view getting the message to the wider community. Yours fined and frustrated Waymore	WAYMORE (11097)
482737	2006-09-09 02:10:00	That seems like a stupid law to me. it isn't doing any harm having fog lights on during the day. Even having your headlights on dip isn't doing any harm. Surely if they were going to blind someone during the day, they would blind someone during the night?	Greven (91)
482738	2006-09-09 05:02:00	You aren't aloud to use your fog lighs unless it is foggy no other time day or night	WAYMORE (11097)
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