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710357	2008-10-07 21:14:00	The Gameplanet thing is a guide. Get ASUS or Gigabyte. Actually, the Abit IP35 is a good board for the price. Asus and Gigabyte are not the be all and end all.....	SolMiester (139)
710358	2008-10-07 21:17:00	So far i have CPU: Hard Drive: Seagate 250GB Serial ATA HDD $71.96 RAM:2GB DDR2-800 PC2-6400 SDRAM 240Pin $43.67 Graphics Card: Mother Board:Abit IP35 ,Intel P35 ATX motherboard $133.45 PSU: Mobo recommened at www.gpforums.co.nz Its cheap but is it good? The review says it misses a few function also from www.newegg.com i see that if i want to use the 9 series graphics card i cant, and i was planing on to. ???, see my sig, I have that board with the 9600GT....	SolMiester (139)
710359	2008-10-07 21:29:00	So do u recommend me getting Asustek P5Q-E Intel P45 ATX DDR2 www.einfo.co.nz for $270 or Asustek P5E-V-HDMI IntelIG35 ATX www.einfo.co.nz for $272 or another one altogether or a gigabye one. Am i paying to much or to less? Is it recommened to get a pretty good motherboard if im going to upgrade parts later on. So when i upgrade i wont have to upgrade my motherbaord as well.	Blackandblue (14231)
710360	2008-10-07 21:59:00	The P5e-v-hdmi has onboard video that you will not require. the P5Q-e is fine, but is P45 chipset, the updated P35, so it is naturally more expensive for really no noticeable gain. If you want a CF board (ie: 2 PCI-e graphic slots), just get a cheaper P35 version. The Abit board IP35 Pro is a great board and not as expensive as ASUS, it also has solid capacitors and appropriate chipset cooling..... Gigabyte are fine board thought they did have issues with DPC latency. I have gone off them somewhat and I dont like the multi coloured slots everywhere but thats just cosmetic. Asus, are just expensive!	SolMiester (139)
710361	2008-10-07 22:07:00	Thanks. If i go for the Abit board IP35 Pro will it be furture proof. Or would paying more be a better option for me. Because i dont want to have to upgrade every componenet in the computer when i need to. And you say it can surport all 9 series graphics cards? Thebannamonkey "I strongly suggest you go for an Asus, and probably around the $250 mark is good. You could go a little cheaper, but wouldn't suggest much less than $200, as it's the guts of your system."	Blackandblue (14231)
710362	2008-10-07 22:12:00	Hey dude, I wouldn't worry so much as you do. If you like the look of them, get them. We're here to help, but you've got to make your own decisions at the end of the day. The P5Q looks good, but any Asus or Gigabyte MoBos are typically good. You just have to figure out what you want, and what you want to use it for. Are you thinking of overclocking? You can move away from those two companies once you start knowing a bit more about hardware, but I'd be ere on the side of caution until then. Some other companies do make good mobos, but they're not as consistently trustable. I suggest looking for parts at ascent.co.nz even if you don't buy them there. They have a really good site, with an awesome search engine, so you can find any type of product you want. Once you've decided on a list of parts you're happy with, post it here and we'll help. But go out and research all of this stuff yourself. It's half the fun of building your own.	Thebananamonkey (7741)
710363	2008-10-07 22:28:00	Thanks. If i go for the Abit board IP35 Pro will it be furture proof. Or would paying more be a better option for me. Because i dont want to have to upgrade every componenet in the computer when i need to. And you say it can surport all 9 series graphics cards? Thebannamonkey "I strongly suggest you go for an Asus, and probably around the $250 mark is good. You could go a little cheaper, but wouldn't suggest much less than $200, as it's the guts of your system." The IP35 chipsets will accept all processors up to the current ones. The next Intel CPU is i7, which is a new chipset, so no motherboard out there is future proof. I see no point in spending money on X38\X48 or P45 chipsets that have little or no benefit over the P35. You state you are looking for 22" LCd next, will that to me means you wont need a CF or SLI board, which are a premium over the standard version of the motherboard, as in Abit IP35 series, Basic = IP35-E (1 PCI-e slot,basic chipset cooling, only 4 SATA ports Std= IP35 (1 PCI-e slot, heatpipe cooling, 6 SATA) Adv = Pro (2 PCI-e for CF, heatpipe cooling, 6 SATA and CMOS button for OC's)	SolMiester (139)
710364	2008-10-07 22:46:00	Here's my take from 20+ years of building my own gaming machines on a budget - sure to get me flamed :) I'd actually disagree with spending $250 on a motherboard when you have a limited budget - the performance & feature difference over a cheaper one you'll almost certainly never notice. something like www.pp.co.nz for instance would be perfectly fine. You could even go for a microATX G33 or G35 based board at $80 - $130 dollars and it would do the job. Yes the more expensive boards are nicer, but realistically the average user wouldn't know the difference. Buy a good brand with a good warranty and don't worry too much about it. Buying quality RAM is a good Idea - I personally like corsair and the valueselect range is still cheap enough on a budget, 2G is the target for gaming. 3 or more for a few games such as crysis. for Graphics cards I'd suggest one of these on your budget ( fastest at top ): ATI HD4850 or 9800GTX+ ( approx same performance ) 9800GT or 8800GT 512 ( basically the same card - the 9 series has added pure video support for HD video acceleration ) 9600GT for CPU pick an Intel core 2 duo or quad core with the highest clock speed you can manage on your budget - simple ( E8200 or 8400 is a good place to start but E5200 is a cheap option that will be ok too ). AMD is ok too - but even the 6000+ struggles to beat a 2.5G core 2 duo in games benchmarks and is a big power hungry heat producing beast of a thing. The places to focus your money on for gaming performance is CPU / GPU then RAM, then MB last in my opinion, High quaity gaming motherboards with High end features are for those without budget considerations to worry about, SLI for example is more trouble than it's worth for most of us - sure if you can afford 2 high end graphics cards and a full HD monitor it's awesome - but that doesn't happen for $1000 as far as hard drives go - if it's purely a gaming machine you can probably manage with a smallish drive but given that many new games exceed 2G hdd space each and some well over 4 I'd suggest a 320G or preferably 500G one. A personal preference is to make a smallish OS partiton ( 40 G for me ) to install windows on - much easier to back up than a single 500G partiton :) lastly don't forget the operating system - if you have to buy windows for this machine it adds about $160 to the budget for an OEM copy :2cents:	dugimodo (138)
710365	2008-10-08 00:08:00	Agree mostly with Dugimodo. The only reason I'd go for a better MoBo is that it's probably easier to upgrade in the future. But if you're just looking for a budget gaming comp now, and not looking to expand much then he's probably got a point. You could make a LAN box, with an mATX, and a small case. Would be cheap, and portable too!	Thebananamonkey (7741)
710366	2008-10-08 00:51:00	Thank for the help. Just got a question about games though. Will a Top end graphics card and a mid graphics card produce the same apperance of a game such as age of empires 3 if the settings where all put on high and could all handle it, but would the only differnce be that the top end one would give you more fps say 100 compared to the mid graphics card of say 65. So im jsut asking does the only advantage to get a more expensive graphics card is so it can handle the game better and be more smooth compared to a cheap one. But the graphics or look of the game if both set to max settings or low settings or the same settings would look the same on screen. And as you suggested i get a ATI HD4850 or 9800GTX+ ( approx same performance ) is it just a matter of choosing what company i want to go with? Thanks	Blackandblue (14231)
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