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Thread ID: 72460	2006-09-13 21:15:00	National Stadium Auckland Waterfront	Utopia (7787)	PC World Chat

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484736	2006-11-25 10:36:00	Bye, Say hello to Skippy when you get to Aussie. Lets hope they develop a cure for your desire to call attention to your abnormal sexuality.	Metla (12)
484737	2006-11-25 11:30:00	We could steal one of them, drag it back with a tug boat. You know what I mean though, something better than a stadium can be built there, something iconic. Still a bit confused what you mean,, over my head at the moment. Well , err, I am giving myself a partially wrinkle reduced complexion by distending one cheek with the traditional organ. Let's be realistic, these foreign sods are a selfish lot and would take a dim view of us moving their icons, so we would have to make use of their dirt as well as their structures. The Opera House is a bit wrong in shape for a rugby field, you could get a pretty fair set of goal posts at one end, but it would have to be a soccer goal at the other end. Getting a fat lady to sing at the finish would be easier than other sites mentioned. No decent beer. They had a pretty good fundraiser to build it though. The Eiffel stadium has admittedly got a great structure in place, but you need four goal posts. No matter how fancy it is, one just won't cut it. A bit foreign over there so they may throw a wobbly at us thrashing them on their own site again, not to mention the shocking bus connections from Paris to Ponsonby. French beer would not be too good for the post-match functions. While it may be fairly sheltered inside the Statue of Liberty, you would need a fairly specialized sort of spectators to get 60,000 of 'em inside. The pitch would be a little uneven in shape too. Pretty hard to get proper(?) beer there. Parking is a bit of a problem as well. Nope, sorry, you will just have to build the Waka Stadium and get on with the game.	R2x1 (4628)
484738	2006-11-25 13:37:00	why do we keep saying we need our own stadium just like the german one/syndey opera house/eiffel tower/statue of liberty? firstly, the latter two are more historical monuments than practical, one could even call them a sort of heritage the eiffel tower? put on a fancy fireworks show off the sky tower and whats the difference? marketing and history sydney opera house? just join Utopia and go to sydney... as much fun as it would be to steal something off the aussies rather than the other way round, we dont need to lower ourselves to that level stadium that looks like the german one? how is that meant to become a kiwi icon? the reason the statue of liberty (and the eiffel tower) is so famous today is the historical value of them coupled with their uniqueness nz is meant to be 'clean and green', so what's wrong with rangitoto? you can see it from most of the city, it's green with native bush and shows auckland's volcanic nature. it is a popular attraction and gives citizens and tourists alike a stunning view (www.imagef1.net.nz) of the hauraki and the entire city laid out infront of you with the waitakere ranges in the distance and coast stretching north to tarwharanui and south to thames hidden behind waiheke- you can see the coromandel, waiheke, the barrier islands, everything.... and on the summit there is an old WWII lookout (built in anticipation of jap invasion) and on the adjoining motutapu island there are old gun sites like at devonport, plus home bay with much history behind it. how many other cities can lay claim to having a volcanic island only a few hundred years old in their backyard? thanks in part to sir peter blake and a. j. hackett, auckland is already famous for the harbour, waterfront and skytower... as a result everyone knows the images of the bridge and rangitoto... why is NZ so insecure? why must we go copying other people/nations when it is our originality, ingenuity and uniqueness that makes us so special - it's what defines us how material is this obsession/assumption that building a big flash building will make us the best? any other nation can/has/will do it better, cheaper, and faster! we should value what we have and what makes us unique as a people - us as a people, our heritage and our clean, green land - New Zealand <forum showers motorbyclist with roses> <motorbyclist respectfully and gracefully bows> wow, even i'm impressed..... rekon i could go into marketing? <several forum members puke> actually, thinking about my last statement i think that's why the waka stadium appeals to me so much	motorbyclist (188)
484739	2006-11-25 14:52:00	Youre not wrong there. I think the waterfront can be used for better things than the stadium so I dribbled off some famous monuments around the world to get my point across, but a nice park with a view of Rangitoto will do nicely. I think its just a part of growing up as a city in Auckland that we need to compare and beat big brother Sydney. Aucklands young and in time it will change when the city develops a bit more history. The only other city I can think of with a great Volcano out in the harbour was Pompeii a couple of thousand years ago. ...................	saljens (11135)
484740	2006-11-25 16:23:00	They should forget having it in NZ,just spend the money on punters for the world cup and give us all plane tickets and tickets to WC for free. It would probably be cheaper and it would stop everyone moaning.	rob_on_guitar (4196)
484741	2006-11-26 01:56:00	Mallard to seek more time to assess waterfront option 26 November 2006 By GREG MEYLAN - Fairfax Don't write off the controversial plan for an Auckland waterfront stadium just yet . The Sunday Star-Times understands Rugby World Cup Minister Trevor Mallard will argue at tomorrow's Cabinet meeting for extra time to explore the waterfront option, despite Friday's unanimous "no" from Auckland Regional Council (ARC) on whose land it would be built . A high-level source said Cabinet will look at three options: initially keeping both stadiums on the go; ditching the waterfront option and upgrading Eden Park; or expanding Christchurch's Jade Stadium to the required 60,000 seats . The Star-Times understands Mallard wants to keep both Auckland options open, but other Beehive sources say Eden Park is the front-runner . The uncertainty won't be welcomed by the New Zealand Rugby Union (NZRU), which said yesterday it was disappointed about the continued stalemate over where the 2011 World Cup final would be held . Speaking from Cardiff, NZRU chairman Jock Hobbs said it was important politicians did not "dither" . "We need to move on to the next phase and get on with it . " Hobbs said he had been in touch with the International Rugby Board and officials from Rugby World Cup Ltd who were comfortable with either option . Economic analysts Covec, who prepared a cost-benefit analysis for the ARC and Auckland City Council (ACC), believe keeping both Auckland options open is a smart move . Covec director Dr John Small said both options could be kept alive at a cost of $1 million a month . He said this would buy time to make the right decision, and competitiveness might help lower contracting costs . But Fletcher Building boss Mark Binns, whose company will build whatever option was chosen, said time was running out . "Keeping them both going for an extended period of time is just too tough on resources, because they are both big projects . " Binns said commitments to materials and machinery for the waterfront would have to be made before Christmas . The Star-Times understands preliminary orders for some machinery have already been placed for the waterfront site, including a pile driver required to pummel 1900 concrete piles into the seabed . There has been intense debate and speculation about whether the $500m waterfront stadium would be built in downtown Auckland since Mallard said it was his preference earlier this month . On November 10 he gave the ARC and ACC a fortnight to decide between upgrading Eden Park or the new waterfront venue . Mallard offered $165m of government money and underwriting for the waterfront option, or a lesser, undecided, amount but no underwriting for the Eden Park upgrade . The city council voted 13 to seven in favor of the waterfront on Thursday, provided it shifted further east . On Friday the regional council, which owns Ports of Auckland, voted unanimously for Eden Park . Auckland Mayor Dick Hubbard, a fierce supporter of the new stadium, yesterday accused the ARC of putting its financial interests ahead of Aucklanders' desire to open up the waterfront . "We needed this stadium to be a circuit breaker to get access . Thirty years from now I believe we could still be looking at barbed wire, electric fences, cranes and used cars . " Hubbard said the councils' opposing decisions would reignite debate about the need to amalgamate greater Auckland's councils . ARC chairman Mike Lee said it had made the right decision because a waterfront stadium would have disrupted the port, which was critical to Auckland's economy . Go! Trevor Mallard!! . . . . go you good thing you!! . Actually, I agree with Enigma's sentiments - Quote: I have a new found respect for Dick, you are the man! . Don't give a penny of ratepayers money to Eden Park . Yep . . . . I have new found respect for Dick Hubbard too . I think it's his will-power and focus with setting up his own cereal company, that has benefited all Kiwi's,has made him a "Man of vision" . The "Final soulution for the Government" as follows: 1 - Disband the ARC Council of Auckland . They do nothing,want nothing and are nothing . :badpc: We don't need neurotic fuddy-duddys stonewalling great commercial vision . :mad: 2 - Buy-out and take-over POAL . This then gives you access to POAL land . :D 3 - Make the Auckland City Council the "Supreme" Council for the whole Auckland Metropoliton area . Waitakare,North Shore and Manakau can co-exist together with Auckland City Council, still looking after there respective catchment areas . If need be . . . Instead of having 1 mayor,have 4 mayor's whom give rulings . . . . . much like the Supreme Court . That way it is fair and democratic, that all major decisions are made from 4 Mayors and a supreme decesion given . 4 - Make Jade Stadium the host for the final of the RWC . Continue with current plans to replace the Eastern Stand,but with Government assistance,build "temporary" seating to take capacity to 60,000 . That way Christchurch won't have empty seats after the RWC . :thumbs: 5 - Leave Eden Park as it is . It can host local and international games still untill the RWC 2011 . From that point forward there is no use for it,and it should be demolished to make way for a new residential sub-division . 4 - Continue with plans to build the Waterfront Stadium . Look at port areas still . . . . but also look at alternate options,such as Fanshaw-Madden streets location . When land has been secured,start building Stadium N . Z . If the stadium is finished before the RWC final date in 2011 . . . then you have your host "Stadium N . Z" . If not ready,Jade Stadium with it's new Eastern Stand and Temporary seating is also ready to host the final . :D And that's how it's done! . Image link- shows Fanshaw street option,with space for two multi-storey carpark buildings . These could be run by ACC . . photobucket . com/albums/i29/blairboy_2006/AucklandAerial1 . jpg" target="_blank">i68 . photobucket . com	Utopia (7787)
484742	2006-11-26 02:14:00	What I wonder about from this distance is how many of the most vocal here will be really hard hit in their pockets? Sure, nobody knows yet how much the government will fork out for whatever is the final choice . And as a taxpayer, I'll be doing my bit from Otago as much as my Auckland sister will have to . But it's the Auckland ratepayers who'll probably be hardest hit - and they seem conspicuously scarce in this thread, compared with young people who don't own a house . So I'm going to stick my neck out & suggest that the various polls have not only been statistically unreliable, but also unfair . The actual ratepayers of Auckland should've been allowed 2 votes each .	Laura (43)
484743	2006-11-26 02:41:00	Go! Trevor Mallard!!....go you good thing you!!. Actually, I agree with Enigma's sentiments - Quote: I have a new found respect for Dick, you are the man! .Don't give a penny of ratepayers money to Eden Park. Yep....I have new found respect for Dick Hubbard too.I think it's his will-power and focus with setting up his own cereal company, that has benefited all Kiwi's,has made him a "Man of vision". The "Final soulution for the Government" as follows: 1 - Disband the ARC Council of Auckland.They do nothing,want nothing and are nothing. :badpc: We don't need neurotic fuddy-duddys stonewalling great commercial vision. :mad: 2 - Buy-out and take-over POAL.This then gives you access to POAL land. :D ports of auckland are somewhat important: last figure i read was $21 billion dollars of importance..... basically ARC funds our parks etc etc, and i'd like to see that funding continued, but perhaps the 4 cities and the arc should all combine into one 3 - Make the Auckland City Council the "Supreme" Council for the whole Auckland Metropoliton area.Waitakare,North Shore and Manakau can co-exist together with Auckland City Council, still looking after there respective catchment areas.If need be...Instead of having 1 mayor,have 4 mayor's whom give rulings.....much like the Supreme Court.That way it is fair and democratic, that all major decisions are made from 4 Mayors and a supreme decesion given. 4 - Make Jade Stadium the host for the final of the RWC.Continue with current plans to replace the Eastern Stand,but with Government assistance,build "temporary" seating to take capacity to 60,000.That way Christchurch won't have empty seats after the RWC. 5 - Leave Eden Park as it is.It can host local and international games still untill the RWC 2011.From that point forward there is no use for it,and it should be demolished to make way for a new residential sub-division. 4 - Continue with plans to build the Waterfront Stadium.Look at port areas still....but also look at alternate options,such as Fanshaw-Madden streets location.When land has been secured,start building Stadium N.Z.If the stadium is finished before the RWC final date in 2011...then you have your host "Stadium N.Z".If not ready,Jade Stadium with it's new Eastern Stand and Temporary seating is also ready to host the final. :D And that's how it's done!. Image link- shows Fanshaw street option,with space for two multi-storey carpark buildings.These could be run by ACC. i68.photobucket.com now i never thought i'd say this in this thread but i agree with 99% of that post... flatten eden park when we make a better one, use jade temporarily and build a new flash stadium somewhere with parking sounds like a perfect solution - we get a well planned new stadium without the time contraint and without ruining the city centre/waterfront, POAL won't need to be disrupted, eden park is flattened when it becomes surplus to requirements, and jade stadium gets the glory without such a big waste of money and sajei pointed out pompeii - LOL funnily enough the whole of auckland is sitting on a dormant volcanic field, so rangitoto isn't the only one to watch - it could be someones back yard, one stump hill, anywhere:horrified same issue for taupo/rotorua - they're in very close proximity to active volcanic areas - rotovegas is acutally built on the dodgy land while taupo is just plain close... same for new plymouth too san francisco, las angeles, wellington etc are all built on fault lines, all the pacific islands are or were volcanoes... coastal places like new orleans, surfers paradise, holland are built at or below sea level.... us humans aren't too smart are we? "a nice park with a view of Rangitoto will do nicel" - mission bay? takapuna beach?	motorbyclist (188)
484744	2006-11-26 03:11:00	I also agree with most of what utopia said. Its hard to get a sense that Auckland is moving foward when the Mayors(all 72 of them) are bickering amongst themselves. If Aucklands feifdoms are amalgamated more might get done, ....it might not please everyone or neccesarily be the right way but at least something will be done. Brisbane apparently has one council for the entire region and city and its roughly the same size as Auckland. Oh, and the volcano/stupid humans thing.. Apparently most of the hills around Auckland, Mt Eden and so on are just little dribblers and wont fully explode.I read somewhere that the most likely place to fully explode is somewhere between Rangitoto and Mission bay........lucky in a way, that property price bubble had to burst sometime.	saljens (11135)
484745	2006-11-26 03:15:00	Brisbane is paradise compared to Auckland, The two should never looked upon as anything similar......	Metla (12)
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