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Thread ID: 72654	2006-09-21 05:28:00	Bring Back Bill	Oldferix (5581)	PC World Chat

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486009	2006-09-21 05:28:00	Is any one else disgusted at the lack of good manners shown by our present political leaders who are squabbling like sparrows over a crust of bread? Bring Back Bill!	Oldferix (5581)
486010	2006-09-21 08:40:00	Um....Bill Birch? Bill Clinton? Bill Stickers? ;)	Winston001 (3612)
486011	2006-09-21 09:20:00	English? :thumbs:	Oldferix (5581)
486012	2006-09-21 10:43:00	;) Oh! I thought you meant "the birch" and was just thinking 'what a good idea'. Cheers, Marnie	Marnie (4574)
486013	2006-09-22 04:24:00	I think the original poster wants us to be Rowling along. But how he got called "Bill" when his name was actually Wallace confounds me.	Graham L (2)
486014	2006-09-22 04:38:00	I think the only thing English was good for,was producing sprogs.	Cicero (40)
486015	2006-09-22 04:41:00	You mean Bill "I can't make up my mind and no one listens to me" English? I suppose he may have matured in his time away, (like cheese) but do we really need a step back? I think we should ask for Tony Blair to immigrate here (doesn't matter if he in the wrong party its only politics), he would be awesome, look how he rebuilt the british economy, and we could have lots of fun with the Americans.	netchicken (4843)
486016	2006-09-22 06:41:00	No way would I bring back Bill (English). Too much of a wimp in my mind. Don Brash is only recently a politician but I think he is learning. If we look back at the election before last National got a real hiding and with Don Brash at the last election he bumped the figures up nearly 50/50. I can't trust Don Brash with the latest smear campaign. We need a good leader in this country and I frankly don't care which side of the fence they come from. National, Labour, Green, or the yeng tong party. Helen is doing a good job as a Leader but I now can't trust her as far as I could kick her either. Look at paintergate and the recent fast trip to see a rugby match. She did not take any responsibility for either of those efforts did she? I would like a leader who could take the best ideas from ALL parties and put them into a cohesive form rather than just take the party line. I do realise that you can please some of the people all the time. All of the people some of the time, but never all of the people all of the time. No matter what happens there are always going to be some unhappy people. At the moment it is gutter politics and that does not help the country as a whole. At the moment you have Helen Clarke & John Davis being vilified in Parliament with suspicion, innuendo etc. Other rumours about Don Brash as well.	Sweep (90)
486017	2006-09-22 09:36:00	Sweep, you sound like a bloke with a fair bit of common sense, perhaps you could fit the 'Bill'.	Oldferix (5581)
486018	2006-09-22 16:30:00	Assorted reactions to bits of this political thread - It's not just because he's a "southern man," but I still have respect for Bill English . He was a bright young man with a good heart who was elected to power far too young - merely through circunstances of the time . It didn't do him any favours, as it turned out . Give him another few years to knock off the rough edges & get more experience in diplomacy & PR - then he could well become an effective party leader . He has a good brain, the ability to get on with a variety of people & isn't a rabid right-winger - all of which makes him acceptable to a centrist electorate . There are pushy young Nats dying to replace Brash who'll probably do it earlier, but their success later is purely speculative at present . No, Sweep, I don't think he's a wimp . Let him age a bit like a good wine . And now for something completely different - Wallace Rowling was called Bill, Graham, because Wallace wasn't a name that went down well in NZ households & school playgrounds when he was a small kid . He became known as Bill early . (I have this from the horse's mouth . Our paths crossed often in my journalism days) . He was, in fact, one of the most misunderstood-by-the-general-public politicians I knew . In person, he was quiet but effective . On television, he came over badly - too quiet, so seemed ineffective . And faced with Muldoon as his opponent, that wasn't a good look . Those in the political field knew how capable he actually was, but the general public didn't see past the TV persona . Each time I interviewed him, he impressed me in our conversations beforehand . But the interviews themselves always seemed to turn out a bit flat, in spite of my efforts to regain the atmosphere of our lively talk earlier . . I'll finish this by saying I'm disgusted by the muckraking on both sides at present - and by the media promotion of it . Always when retired people say:"It wasn't like that in my day . " there's a wry grin from others . Well, it really wasn't . All political reporters knew things about private lives which stayed private . (Some of them couldn't take too much scrutiny there themselves) So right now, I'm glad to be out of it . "A plague on all their houses . " . .	Laura (43)
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