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| Thread ID: 72662 | 2006-09-21 10:05:00 | What's the meaning of life? | Renmoo (66) | PC World Chat |
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| 486327 | 2006-11-03 12:10:00 | If I were to deal a hand of seven cards and look at my cards then I could exclaim that the chance of my drawing that exact hand was only about 1 in a trillion! Make that 1 in 130 million. Hands aren't ordered! It was off anyway, I obviously can't count. The figure given doesn't affect the point being made though, it still demonstrates the false improbability. It's just a little less falsely improbable. |
TGoddard (7263) | ||
| 486328 | 2006-11-03 17:11:00 | I'm sorry if you read that as a personal attack - it was meant as completely the opposite. Your arguments so far have been very sensible, even if I disagree with most of them :) . I've just seen too many arguments over the same topic dissolve into chaos. This statement was a rather badly worded attempt to set the stage for thought out reasoning as much as is possible. It was also intended to let everyone know that I have a weakness - I am completely incapable of understanding irrational belief. I had deeply hoped that I had not caused anger because of loose or sloppy reasoning...that was NEVER my deign. Thanks for the shoulder chuck though. That might loosely translate into "chocky fish" for you. Again...at your service. |
SurferJoe46 (51) | ||
| 486329 | 2006-11-03 18:07:00 | So where did the aliens come from then? Can't have an endless chain of aliens dumping people around the universe, the first lot had to have originated somehow.True. However in the case of our poor mistreated planet, where we have a race that seems to have bypassed the naturally tedious process of evolution to become overnight the most harmful thing the planet has ever seen, the dumping ground theory gains plausibility, but only for the earth part of the life origin question. :) Funny how meaning of life has digressed to origin... The origin may be up for debate, but the meaning is clearing rice pudding! :p |
personthingy (1670) | ||
| 486330 | 2006-11-03 19:16:00 | . . . . . . . The "creator" made some evil people, ask yourself how can a "perfect" being create or allow evil? I would kindly like to inject "free moral agency" into the argument that might let you have a more open mind to this chasm of blame . Evil is relatively perfect in only one creature . . . . this one being full of hate and contention . . . . name available upon request but you know where I am going here I think . Anyway . . . . . the act of disobedience is really that of free moral agency in action . Never did the creator indicate that his creation would be puppets or clones of himself . The existence of cadres of people and spirits who defy God is also an act of that same agent . Allowance of them to present their case agaianst God is all an act of love too . . . the freeness of choice is tantamont to devotion in this case either for or against God . A real creator would allow his created to exercise this choice and either suffer the consequences or blessings . This is only for just a set period of time though . We were not created to die . . we have thoughts of eternity in our minds . We also have a need for a god or creator or some form of deity in our conscience too . Even the convoluted reasoning of whether there IS or IS NOT a god is present in our thoughts . . . WHY? It's a natural occurance and is evident in the simplist native in the bush . . . far removed from the true god, who has a form of godly devotion in his mind . He acts and views this as a law unto himself: his conscience . Quite the opposite of God creating evil is evident; rebellion took place in heaven and even a perfect man and woman made a bad choice telling their creator that he was withholding something good from them at the goading of the evil one . It's a matter of motivation . The heart is the seat of motivation, logical or not . Logic is in the mind . The mind weighs and considers; the heart has the ego . We must remember that there is a whole gallery of spirit realm that is looking on and seeing that everything that God does is quite legal and not in defiance of his rules . . . thermodynamics, conservation of energy and all the rules under which the whole universe runs and operates . Chemistry on Earth will be the same on any other planet . It is logical . God is "under contract", if you allow that sort of statement, to keep this world alive and actively promulgating life as long as there is a true believer and the chain of faith is not broken . If we deify Him, he will allow us to go on in our lives . . . with eternity in view, but with no reward in the end . We may even be judged . . . or pre-emptively destroyed because our hearts are not pure . We call that "judgement" . The greatest argument against life on other planets is logically evident too . IF there is a defiance of justice (demons and their ilk), and this planet is where the court of Good vs Evil is being held, then here is where life is . . . . in entirety . Remember that Satan had access to the whole of creation at one time, but now is restricted to the vicinity of the earth; another indicator that this is where the action is and will be decided for the universe . Suppose that there are higher life forms on other planets . . that they were so far advanced that they had access to time or extended space travel at the speed of light . Wouldn't the argument of Justice vs Injustice be tried there? Look at it this way: Higher life forms = higher thinking abilities and reasoning powers . Why are we on the planet where this celestial court is convened? Our belief and actions concerning justice and divine creation are at stake here, actually the results of our decisions and choices are . We will be accountable for our alliances . The whole legal case is of Universal Sovereignty . . . which by definition has to be UNIVERSAL . . . and has been challenged by the chief defy-er of law and order . The fat lady is warming up in the wings . |
SurferJoe46 (51) | ||
| 486331 | 2006-11-03 19:29:00 | ....Anyway.....the act of disobedience is really that of free moral agency in action. Never did the creator indicate that his creation would be puppets or clones of himself. The existence of cadres of people and spirits who defy God is also an act of that same agent......Cool bananas! That makes us like rats put in a cage together just for the entertainment of the people placing the rats in a cage, utterly pointless except for it's own sake. We can see if the rats kill each other, get along, or run round suddenly singing yippy just cause they can.... |
personthingy (1670) | ||
| 486332 | 2006-11-03 20:13:00 | Cool bananas! That makes us like rats put in a cage together just for the entertainment of the people placing the rats in a cage, utterly pointless except for it's own sake . We can see if the rats kill each other, get along, or run round suddenly singing yippy just cause they can . . . . Not actually . . . Any "rats in a cage" are not the creation of a loving creator . This has a boil-down point that, if you'll pardon the expression: "The Devil did it!", like the last page of an Charlie Chan murder mystery . As I said . this is the outworkings of a demon angel son of God who decided to ursurp the authority of HIS creator too! Assuming that this is all a cosmic farce and passion play is not what I said . The allowance of mankind and the demons to demonstrate their inabilities to provide a beneficial planet for man to live on while ignoring theeir creator is just a legality that will have to be weighed in that celestial court . Is mankind happy right now? Are you happy right now? Will you die? What was life worth if it's all for nothing more than procreation and misery . . . sickness . . . war and death? Since the whole world is in the current control of the evil one, on which side would you like to be? Lemmings all route off to destruction; the thinking man can read and demystify the cruelty and destruction that is all around them . . . others will not . If one believes in a God who can correct things if they cause death (resurrection) and keeps an eye on the outworkings of mankind under the influence of demons, weighing and selecting those with the right heart attitude, then what's the matter with loss of a little time in the grander purpose of things? Rats? No! Caught under the guise of demons? Yes! Is this going to be done away with soon? Absolutely! |
SurferJoe46 (51) | ||
| 486333 | 2006-11-03 20:44:00 | Can someone please tell me the answer?:dogeye: Cheers :)Only you can answer this question. Me, I believe life is a journey; a never-ending play (context meant: theatre, but not dramatisation), to always discover, learn, teach, be taught. To keep ones mind open, and hopefully ones mouth shut (doesn't always work out like that). The meaning of ones life changes depending on what stage one is acting on... when with my kid, I am the teacher, and yet she still teaches me (reminds me of the innocence long since (unknowingly) lost. Hopefully by remembering, it has been bought back?). Pre-fatherhood, I was on a different stage, learning for myself, asking questions, striving to attain answers. To me, without learning there is only death/stagnation. How can one not learn/open their eyes/discover; and yet still live? What is the point of that life? |
Myth (110) | ||
| 486334 | 2006-11-03 21:21:00 | Eat,drink and be merry. | Metla (12) | ||
| 486335 | 2006-11-03 21:32:00 | Procreation???? Thats about as useful as shopping....:p :lol: beetle Shopping is more important than procreation in my opinion. If I do not buy food then I can't eat. If I don't eat then I die earlier than expected I think. |
Sweep (90) | ||
| 486336 | 2006-11-03 21:34:00 | Eat,drink and be merry . Love it, Metla . . . . . but it's a little more accurate to post the whole thing in context: "If the dead are not to be raised up, “let us eat and drink, for tomorrow we are to die . ” Do not be misled . Bad associations spoil useful habits . Wake up to soberness in a righteous way and do not practice sin, for some are without knowledge of God . I am speaking to move YOU to shame . " <source upon request> |
SurferJoe46 (51) | ||
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