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| Thread ID: 72662 | 2006-09-21 10:05:00 | What's the meaning of life? | Renmoo (66) | PC World Chat |
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| 486297 | 2006-11-02 06:02:00 | As far as I can tell there are only two basic options to the origin of life. Either we came about by random chance or we were created by an intelligent designer(s). These two options lead to different meanings to life. If life came about by random chance then you can make the purpose of your life whatever you like because you don't have to give an account to anyone. But if we were created by design then we need to find out why we were made.What about the evolution option? That is FAR from "random chance". I still go with Earth = alien dumping ground, just as Ozy and NZ were for "Mother England" |
personthingy (1670) | ||
| 486298 | 2006-11-02 06:35:00 | Sometimes as i have said before the destination is irrelevant, as you all end up in the same place eventually.............. which is dead........... so just enjoy the ride while it lasts eh? :lol: no? oh well worth a giggle :p the bus of life is always on your road............ nobody else's....... and the journey is always your journey. and it no's where you are going even if you dont........... hang on enjoy the ride and makes some good memories, and some great friends on the way........... life is meant for living........:D and yeah rules are meant to be broken.............thats why we have computers isnt it? :rolleyes: beetle OK. Is this the bus of life? A bus presupposes you have a bus driver and anything from 0 to >30 passengers otherwise ride your motorbike and you will be on your own. So are you driving the bus and taking others like family and friends with you? Maybe we are all on a big bus and someone else is driving and we just don't know this. If the driver gets off the bus then all family and friends may have to grieve or at least carry on with their lives, or not, as the case may be. |
Sweep (90) | ||
| 486299 | 2006-11-02 06:41:00 | What about the evolution option? That is FAR from "random chance". Can you elaborate? I thought that evolution was random chance? ie a product of probabities and time. |
pico (4752) | ||
| 486300 | 2006-11-02 06:45:00 | ......... A bus presupposes you have a bus driver .........Or do we? :p | personthingy (1670) | ||
| 486301 | 2006-11-02 06:52:00 | Can you elaborate? I thought that evolution was random chance? ie a product of probabities and time.It ceases to be random because of selection factor caused by the survival of the fittest. If it were truly random it would never form any order, but as whatever works well enough to reproduce survives, we have evolution, all though not always progress. I think thats how it works, and why i see it as anything but random. | personthingy (1670) | ||
| 486302 | 2006-11-02 07:06:00 | Ok I see what you mean. I have two points though. Survival of the fittest only applies to living beings so the transition from non-living matter to living matter cannot be governed by survival of the fittest. Then what about the definition of random. Most people would describe the weather as random but the mechanisms and laws that govern it are clearly defined. Similarly when I say that evolution is random I'm actually saying that it is not controlled by some being but it does have laws etc. Evolution, just like the weather, can't be predicted (very far ;) ) in advance even though the laws are well known. So I rephrase my two options as Creator vs. No creator. |
pico (4752) | ||
| 486303 | 2006-11-02 07:42:00 | Does the bus driver have a licence? Are we safe on this bus? Hopefully it isnt a MS bus........we all doomed then eh? :p hmmmmmmmmmmmmm beetle |
beetle (243) | ||
| 486304 | 2006-11-02 07:56:00 | Ok I see what you mean. I have two points though. Survival of the fittest only applies to living beings so the transition from non-living matter to living matter cannot be governed by survival of the fittest. Then what about the definition of random. Most people would describe the weather as random but the mechanisms and laws that govern it are clearly defined. Similarly when I say that evolution is random I'm actually saying that it is not controlled by some being but it does have laws etc. Evolution, just like the weather, can't be predicted (very far ;) ) in advance even though the laws are well known. So I rephrase my two options as Creator vs. No creator. Take my word for it,establish what you have said has some merit,but you will be no further ahead. |
Cicero (40) | ||
| 486305 | 2006-11-02 18:25:00 | It ceases to be random because of selection factor caused by the survival of the fittest . If it were truly random it would never form any order, but as whatever works well enough to reproduce survives, we have evolution, all though not always progress . I think thats how it works, and why i see it as anything but random . OH? Really? How is it that, at random, only the specifically required kinds of "life-generating" amino acids would be united in the primordial soup? Physicist J . D . Bernal acknowledges: “It must be admitted that the explanation . . . still remains one of the most difficult parts of the structural aspects of life to explain . ” He concluded: “We may never be able to explain it . How likely is it that the amino acids thought to have formed in the atmosphere would drift down and form an “organic soup” in the oceans? Not likely at all . The same energy that would split the simple compounds in the atmosphere would even more quickly decompose any complex amino acids that formed . Interestingly, in his experiment in a laboratory generated “atmosphere,” and his experiments with electric sparks and select amino acids in 1953, Stanley Miller saved the four amino acids he produced only because he removed them from the area of the spark . Had he left them there, the spark would have decomposed them . However, if it is assumed that amino acids somehow reached the oceans and were protected from the destructive ultraviolet radiation in the atmosphere, what then? In his answer to Miller's thesis, Dr . Hitching explained: “Beneath the surface of the water there would not be enough energy to activate further chemical reactions; water in any case inhibits the growth of more complex molecules . It (water) is the universal solvent . ” So once amino acids are in the water, they must get out of it if they are to form larger molecules and evolve toward becoming proteins useful for the formation of life . But once they get out of the water, they are in the destructive ultraviolet light again! “In other words,” Hitching says, “the theoretical chances of getting through even this first and relatively easy stage [getting to become amino acids] in the evolution of life are forbidding . ” Although it commonly is asserted that life spontaneously arose in the oceans, bodies of water simply are not conducive to the necessary chemistry . Chemist Richard Dickerson explains: “It is therefore hard to see how polymerization [linking together smaller molecules to form bigger ones] could have proceeded in the aqueous environment of the primitive ocean, since the presence of water favors depolymerization [breaking up big molecules into simpler ones] rather than polymerization . ” Biochemist George Wald agrees with this view, stating: “Spontaneous dissolution is much more probable, and hence proceeds much more rapidly, than spontaneous synthesis . ” This means there would be no accumulation of organic soup! Wald believes this to be “the most stubborn problem that confronts us [evolutionists] . ” There is, however, another stubborn problem that confronts evolutionary theory . Remember, there are over 100 amino acids, but only 20 are needed for life’s proteins . Moreover, they come in two shapes: Some of the molecules are “right-handed” and others are “left-handed . ” Should they be formed at random, as in a theoretical organic soup, it is most likely that half would be right-handed and half left-handed, and there is no known reason why either shape should be preferred in living things . Yet, of the 20 amino acids used in producing life’s proteins, all are left-handed! The numbers alone don't crunch . |
SurferJoe46 (51) | ||
| 486306 | 2006-11-02 18:55:00 | If anything can happen, given enough time, it will eventually happen in reality, surely that is obvious, to me just common sense, there is nothing miraculous about us being here. | zqwerty (97) | ||
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