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Thread ID: 72966	2006-10-02 22:30:00	Pit Bull Dogs	Thomas01 (317)	PC World Chat

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488687	2006-10-02 22:30:00	Throughout the 90s we got an English paper regularly - and they were just as regularly reporting on problems with pit bull dogs - nearly always the same - a good family with a family pet that loved the children and was so very reliable, suddenly for no reason turned on generally the smallest family member and savaged them. No matter how many time it happened there were more families who bought the things and were astonished when it happened to them. Now one of our family members has bought one - I see trouble. As far as I know the following apply. The dog must be registered, it must be desexed, it has to have a chip inserted, the property must be fenced safely, the dog must be muzzled if out, a certificate registering the dog as dangerous will be issued. Also I have been told that the person who supplied the dog could be charged as breeding is illegal. If the family member sells the dog is she laying herself open to a charge of illegal trading in this type of animal? All advice & comment welcomed - but please no comments about its the owners fault and the dog is not to be blamed. Tom	Thomas01 (317)
488688	2006-10-02 23:09:00	Have a look at the Dog Control Act (esp S31 onwards), and the Dog Control Policy of the relevant local authority (District or City Council). The local authority must have a dog control policy, and must classify as menacing those dogs listed in Schedule 4 (which includes Dogo Argentino, Brazilian Fisa, Japanese Tosa, and American Pit Bull Terrier). There are all kinds of restrictions, and it gets worse if the dog has been classified as dangerous. I would suggest you become familiar with the legislation and the relevant Council policy, then find out all you can about the dog's particular history. Legislation here rangi.knowledge-basket.co.nz Amendment Acts here rangi.knowledge-basket.co.nz rangi.knowledge-basket.co.nz rangi.knowledge-basket.co.nz	Lizard (2409)
488689	2006-10-02 23:09:00	Now one of our family members has bought one - I see trouble. Tom Stop visiting them.	pctek (84)
488690	2006-10-03 00:01:00	Plus . . . your homeowner's insurance will take a walk on you if you try to claim damage or death by your pit bull . Having a pit here in the US is a severe liability and is not covered by insurance like most other civilized dogs/owners of same . I guess it's just a lack of testosterone-producing glands that makes a person want such an animal . . . . they know who they are . . . wait till you see the flames THIS reply gets! :D :yuck: :waughh: :horrified	SurferJoe46 (51)
488691	2006-10-03 00:16:00	I guess it's just a lack of testosterone-producing glands that makes a person want such an animal....they know who they are...wait till you see the flames THIS reply gets! :D :yuck: :waughh: :horrified No flames from here. I suspect that there is some correlation between the psyche of the owners of these dogs and the reputation that the dogs have. Why else would one own them unless there is some deficiency in the "testosterone-producing glands". As far as I can recall I've never seen a woman with a pitbull.	dvm (6543)
488692	2006-10-03 00:58:00	Throughout the 90s we got an English paper regularly 1 - English papers. They lie to sell papers. Not necessarily in this instance but just be wary of what context they print things. - a good family with a family pet that loved the children and was so very reliable, suddenly for no reason turned on generally the smallest family member and savaged them. 2 - children and dogs need to be taught to repsect one and another - if somebody pulled your ears (or tail) you would probably snap or yell them ? Ensure that anybody who meets the dog is aware that they must treat the dog with respect and there'll be no worries. Similarly supervise kids when they meet or are playing with the dog and don;t leave them alone together until both are fully aware of the rules. It is interesting that the majority of papers report attacks by "dangerous dogs" but choose to avoid attacks by terriers or other "hunting" dogs - apparently the percentage of attacks by non dangerous dogs is higher !! The only reason papers picked up on these types of dogs is their ability to lockout the jaw. Any dog in full attack mode is very scary indeed - not specific dogs. So what I am syaing is take a step back - get to know the dog before you decide its a menance, train it properly (at obeidence school etc), ensure it is socialised, dont beat it and it'll be sweet.	jonp (7517)
488693	2006-10-03 01:10:00	The problem is nothing that a sharp blow with an axe handle to the back of the head won't fix . After dealing with the dog, take the head off the axe and apply the handle to the owner as well . Might knock some sense into them . The longer they own the dog, the more likely it is to develop strong territorial instincts, despite the absence of its *cough* testosterone glands . They are bred to be killers and even if it accepts the family as part of its pack, and a human as its pack leader, the desire to be dominant may surface at any time . Then everybody will go around wringing their hands and talking about how gentle it was, and so good with the kids, until . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Cheers Billy 8-{)	Billy T (70)
488694	2006-10-03 01:42:00	interesting post :) a family member had a nasty experience recently when a dog they where looking after attack them. it was promptly shot. however the owners couldn't care less about the person who almost became lunch, they laid complaints to the police that their dog had been shot. strangely enough shooting a dog that chases a sheep is allowable but not if it chases a person! @#%$ ! ! 99% of dog problems is an owner problem, in this case the dog thinks its boss and will attack anyone to become dominant. i suspect thats often the case with dogs attacking small kids, they are any easy thing for the dog to dominate and put into the dogs pecking order.	tweak'e (69)
488695	2006-10-03 01:45:00	take a step back [/I]- get to know the dog before you decide its a menance, train it properly (at obeidence school etc), ensure it is socialised, dont beat it and it'll be sweet. This is of course insane advice. Getting to know the dog :- Well if it's a Pit bull then you know all you need to know. Respect it for what it is YES. It is a pit bull and therefore extremely dangerous and unreliable, liable to go off at any time. I prefer BILLY Ts advice Incidentally - in answer to "dvm" - the family member is female and in fact I do remember many of the owners of pitbulls in the English papers were also female. No doubt many readers will also have seen the shot on TV where an American lady(?) encouraged her pit bull to attack a lady from the American Animal Society. It was horrific. Tom	Thomas01 (317)
488696	2006-10-03 02:05:00	When I was smaller and younger my father raised boxers . . . . and since we had a younger sister in the house too, we were a little apprehensive about the possibility of one of the females with nursing puppies or eating snapping at us . It never happened . All the dogs were so kind that you could reach into their mouth and remove the food they were eating . I never heard a growl or grumble from any of the three females we had . Dog females, that is . They were kind and if some of our cousin/toddlers were "getting on their nerves", they just stood up and walked away . . . sometimes with a (really!) audible sigh . I believe in the idea that some breeds are just plain nasty and others will give their lives or comfort and hold humans harmless . Taking the food out of the mouth of a dog that is eating is a sure test; I never met a boxer I didn't like . They are big and powerful but they hold it in check . . . . . but OH! can they play hard! Boxers seem to have an uncanny ability to recognize the strength and stamina of a human . . . child or adult, and play appropos . I have been bitten twice by pits, and once by a rott . . . . . I stand here as a scarred testimonial . Oh . . . I forgot a collie that got me too .	SurferJoe46 (51)
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