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Thread ID: 72966	2006-10-02 22:30:00	Pit Bull Dogs	Thomas01 (317)	PC World Chat

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488717	2006-10-03 19:34:00	Anyway: One memeber of the family proudly proclaimed to me that the ***** had killed so many cats that there is not enough room to put notches on her collar; The property is well fenced, but some members of the family are lax when it comes to closing gates and there are vehicles in and out more often than the average; I have seen them in action, on neghbours dogs, the postman and charging me personally; I would not hesitate to kill either dog, I would have if the length of 100x50 I'd grabbed hadn't had a bl**dy great knot in it (I'd have preferred Billy's axe or a length of 16mm HT reo bar). So, train your kids, your neighbours kids, the neighbourhood pets, visitors to the neighbourhood, i.e. impose a surcharge of responsibility on a community that the owners of such dogs often fail to adheree to themselves. I sorry Jen, but when stupidity as stupendous as this also has the audacity to ignore the obvious dangers, especially to those least able to protect themselves, then they deserve to have the proper epiphets applied to them. Sad odious freaks with nothing to wave, save a dog. And again we come full circle. I'm sorry Thomas but Billy has quiet correctly identified the issue - people not pets. As I have been trying to point out all dogs can be dangerous if trained or treated to be this way - or owned by clowns etc etc HAHAHAHAHAHA. Classic. I'll send you our toddler for a week, you train him and send him back will you. LMFAO. Maybe the toddlers should be on a leash then ? I have seen kids grab at dogs in streets etc. That comes down to the parent if the dog is on a leash.	jonp (7517)
488718	2006-10-03 19:41:00	And again we come full circle. I'm sorry Thomas but Billy has quiet correctly identified the issue - people not pets. As I have been trying to point out all dogs can be dangerous if trained or treated to be this way - or owned by clowns etc etc Maybe the toddlers should be on a leash then ? I have seen kids grab at dogs in streets etc. That comes down to the parent if the dog is on a leash. Im thinking Jen should edit back in all the personal comments people made about you, [edited] Surely stupidy at some stage reaches critical mass and your brain will explode?, Or does nature take care of stupid people by having ******* dogs savage their children?	Metla (12)
488719	2006-10-03 20:17:00	jonp that last post of your, quoted by metla is just plain sad. If you can't differentuate between humans and dogs, between the life of a child, and the right to have a dangerous dog, then you are definitly a lost cause.	netchicken (4843)
488720	2006-10-03 20:19:00	Im thinking Jen should edit back in all the personal comments people made about you, [Edited] Surely stupidy at some stage reaches critical mass and your brain will explode?, Or does nature take care of stupid people by having ******* dogs savage their children? Amen to that. Even if Jen thinks that it it only one step below a felony charge...... Infraction - A crime less serious than a felony	Scouse (83)
488721	2006-10-03 20:58:00	Thomas: You give no clue as to why your family member wants this kind of dog? Does she have fears for her safety & wants a watchdog? Or is this simply a whim from someone who knows little about dogs? Honestly I don't know. But I suspect your last sentence says it all. Tom	Thomas01 (317)
488722	2006-10-03 21:09:00	Poor old jonp. He is really catching it from us all. Sorry jonp I will never understand your viewpoint although I do agree with you that people should be careful about the way they look after their dogs (& kids). There is no doubt that good dogs can turn bad if trained wrongly - I do agree with you there. I feel though that most of us feel that certain breeds cannot ever be regarded as safe as their careful training over many generations has made them what they are - vicious and unreliable - RESPECT THEM FOR WHAT THEY ARE. Trusting them is not respecting them. But now I do thank you for your information you posted which I have copied and will see that it gets to the family member in question. Perhaps she will read it and take note. Tom	Thomas01 (317)
488723	2006-10-03 21:17:00	OK . . . a LITTLE off there if you have the same story as I have in memory . . . . The owner/woman of questionable sexuality didn't call her dog off the woman . . . she stood by as it ate the face off the old lady . . . . Naw - this wasn't the one I remember . I didn't see this one (thank goodness) The one I remember was where a lady from the American animal society (I forget which particular society) had called about the dog in question . The owner a large overweight lady warned the officer that she would set the dog on her . The officer stood there obviously worried about what to do next then was suddenly pounced on by the pit bull . Needless to say it not only bit her badly but refused - or was unable - to unlock its jaws . If you didn't see it then you were lucky . Tom	Thomas01 (317)
488724	2006-10-03 22:21:00	thankyou Thomas for being somebody who understands my point and does not take offence - i can agree to disagree with you. For those others (primarily Metla, Scouse and Netchicken) let me explain for the final time. This issue is about responsbility and your actions and the actions of those you are repsonsible for. If a dog is under control and somebody allows another to wander over and pester the dog to such an extent that the dog bites back I believe that (a) the dog owner should be repsonsbile and ask the other party to stop and also (B) that the other person repsonbile for that party should prevent the action happening in the first instance. WOuld you let somebody run across the motorway and then blame the driver of the car if they got hit ? I am not saying that there is no difference between dogs and humans, of course there is - I am saying that it is not the dog or their owners fault every single time as has been suggested during this debate. Hope this clarifies and pacifies - even though I am sure it won't.	jonp (7517)
488725	2006-10-03 22:46:00	let me explain for the final timeLet me explain for the final time, jonp - it's evident that the majority of people and law enforcement agencies regard the animal itself as the hideous aggressor in the number of maulings they've given people (that's humans, ok). They're a nasty breed, and should be forced to die out - humankind as a whole won't lament their demise.	Greg (193)
488726	2006-10-03 22:48:00	Hi jonp. Neither clarified nor pacified. Having once experienced helping to take a neighbour's toddler to hospital after their family pet reverted to regarding her as meal...and seen the half-witted macho father worry about the possibility of having the beast destroyed..... well, you will never clarify nor pacify this voter. Back to Thomas's original post... I'm with pctek in putting the owners' house off limits to my family.	Scouse (83)
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