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Thread ID: 73970	2006-11-07 06:41:00	What - He works for Telecom now?	pctek (84)	PC World Chat

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497221	2006-11-07 19:45:00	I never thought I'd be defending Telecom but we need better infrastructure throughout New Zealand but there simply aren't the economic incentives for Telecom to provide it. In fact, with so much government intervention the company can't count on making a decent profit on any new additions. If they had some form of exclusive term on new infrastructure investments (i.e. no regulated competitor access to newly added backbone for X years) then it might actually become worthwhile for them. Otherwise the government and regional councils must build their own. Competition is great but government regulation always changes incentives and this must be taken into account. Nobody will make expensive investments unless they can guarantee a return.	TGoddard (7263)
497222	2006-11-07 19:53:00	Meh, The "economic incentives" should be that the customer base could tell them to stick it and go over to the competion, So they spend the money or they lose the customers. Instead they wish to squeeze every last cent out of their crap-arse gear by fooling the sheep with marketing. And no, I don't give a rats arse whether Telecom make 500 million dollars or 5 dollars a year, Times change, they have had the biggest gravy train ever ridden in NZ, Adapt or die. And boatloads of companies spend millions with no garentee of a massive return, Its called taking a punt.	Metla (12)
497223	2006-11-08 02:45:00	However, they shouldn't ever complain about it? On the news the other night were some people 6km from Levin who couldn't even get a phone on. They should shut up too? Because they chose to move to a newly developed area? It will cost Telecom a lot of money to upgrade the infrastructure to solve all those full speed problems - so we should keep quiet and accept the status quo? No, you should not shut up, and not ask for changes.... DSL broadband to rural towns and homes, yes, that is a goal we should achieve in NZ... But then, I really don't think that Juha is saying that "Hey, you rural dwellers, too bad if you don't get broadband"..... To quote him "It’s not realistic to expect the full set of services people in cities receive if you live in outlying areas".... Which is quite a fair comment, really.... Not telling you not to expect anything, but just don't expect as good and top notch a service as in the cities.. Heck, I lived in the country for awhile too.... Just as I expected more fresh air and less traffic in the morning down in Ohakune, I had less expectations of technologies such as internet broadband too....	jesseycy (1046)
497224	2006-11-08 03:27:00	1] Juha's comments are fair. Juha a Telecom troll? Give me a break. 2] Full and frank discussion is always welcome as long as stays within the bounds of good taste, fairness, stays away from personal insults and other vague variables that define my reaction but which can only be discerened by those who can read the info in the flight of swallows or from examining fish entrails.	Biggles (121)
497225	2006-11-08 03:42:00	The problem with saying "stick it" and going over to the competition is absolutely useless when broadband comes in on the same line. I can hardly see the likes of Telstra / Slingshot / etc. laying down a bunch of cable into a rural area just to get 20 new customers.	Antmannz (6583)
497226	2006-11-08 03:46:00	The problem with saying "stick it" and going over to the competition is absolutely useless when broadband comes in on the same line. Give the man a gold star. Hell, make it two.	Metla (12)
497227	2006-11-08 04:30:00	The problem with saying "stick it" and going over to the competition is absolutely useless when broadband comes in on the same line. Which is why I will stay with Slingshot and see what happens when LLU becomes true reality	Myth (110)
497228	2006-11-08 05:46:00	Meh, The "economic incentives" should be that the customer base could tell them to stick it and go over to the competion, So they spend the money or they lose the customers. Instead they wish to squeeze every last cent out of their crap-arse gear by fooling the sheep with marketing. And no, I don't give a rats arse whether Telecom make 500 million dollars or 5 dollars a year, Times change, they have had the biggest gravy train ever ridden in NZ, Adapt or die. And boatloads of companies spend millions with no garentee of a massive return, Its called taking a punt. A company has to make a decent profit for their shareholders. A large percentage of telecom is now owned by NZ shareholders and government departments, and this is a fact that many people don't realise. Therefore if Telecom is not making a suitable return on their investment, and can't provide a decent dividend, then people won't invest in them, and then they won't invest in NZ's infrastructure. People forget that telecom is a business, and not a public service. The fact is that the government should never have sold telecom.	rogerp (6864)
497229	2006-11-08 05:48:00	The problem with saying "stick it" and going over to the competition is absolutely useless when broadband comes in on the same line. I can hardly see the likes of Telstra / Slingshot / etc. laying down a bunch of cable into a rural area just to get 20 new customers. There are alternatives in higher population areas. Vodafones Vodem, Woosh, Call plus Wifi. The government should be investing in a national wifi network, instead of spending our money on a new stadium.	rogerp (6864)
497230	2006-11-08 06:21:00	Instead they wish to squeeze every last cent out of their crap-arse gear by fooling the sheep with marketing. They're a company. This is kind of the point.	TGoddard (7263)
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