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| Thread ID: 74071 | 2006-11-10 08:06:00 | Gas Bottles for Cooking and Hot water | wmoore (6009) | PC World Chat |
| Post ID | Timestamp | Content | User | ||
| 497954 | 2006-11-10 08:06:00 | Does anyone use Gas bottles (twinpacs) for cooking and /or Hotwater ? How much are you saving on powerbills ? Pros and Cons. |
wmoore (6009) | ||
| 497955 | 2006-11-10 08:17:00 | What are they? Mapp gas? Propane? Butane? LNG? Propane gives better BTUs that most of the others, and a sure bet more bang for the buck than electricity any way you look at it...unless you get electricity for free. |
SurferJoe46 (51) | ||
| 497956 | 2006-11-10 08:31:00 | Unless you calculate any negation of storage hot water losses against the instant califont type gas heater, the savings in power bills will be about the same as the cost of gas. The cost per delivered kWh effective heat will usually be about the same, but may be inceased by any bottle rental costs, or such costs may bring about the parity with electricity. It is perhaps not coincidental the the final cost per kWh delivered is similar between the two. The gas companies are largely owned by the electricity retailers, or closely aligned. However for cooking, gas is much more instant and I personally prefer it. But cooking is not a major user of either fuel anyway. |
godfather (25) | ||
| 497957 | 2006-11-10 15:47:00 | Unless you calculate any negation of storage hot water losses against the instant califont type gas heater, the savings in power bills will be about the same as the cost of gas . The cost per delivered kWh effective heat will usually be about the same, but may be inceased by any bottle rental costs, or such costs may bring about the parity with electricity . It is perhaps not coincidental the the final cost per kWh delivered is similar between the two . The gas companies are largely owned by the electricity retailers, or closely aligned . However for cooking, gas is much more instant and I personally prefer it . But cooking is not a major user of either fuel anyway . I suspect Upsiddown Land has all it's utilities vastly overpriced if that is the case . . cost-wise that is . Identical homes here in the US cost yards apart in utility bills if one is all-electric and the other is hybrid with both gas and electric . Gas cooking, water heating and internal heating is vastly cheaper , but gas lighting isn't even good mood effective anymore . . . too dangerous . I was making a list of all the electric-vampires I have running here . . . battery chargers, step-down transformers, crt's, vcr's, televisions, telephones, dvd players/tuners, lighting and blower motors etc, refrigerator/freezer (the big hogs) but it got depressing and I quit . I think I count 10 step-down transformers here for the puters, 5 more in just this bedroom, 4 in the living room, 5 in the kitchen, 3 outside, 2 in each bathroom, 2 in the dining room, and 6 electric hand tools that have rechargers running . That's REALLY depressing as these run all the time sometimes just producing warmth of the transformer itself which costs energy . Electric-only homes are vastly more expensive to operate compared to dual-utility homes by a value of 6:1 in all the billings I have seen . It is not uncommmon to see bills of $800US/month for an all electric home with not much more in facilities that I have now running on gas . Gas runs my interior heating, cooking and baking, water heating . The stove and water heater have (gasp!) pilot lights . That wastes a little gas I know . My point is this: with all the stuff running all the time on electricity and gas, the disparity in your bills verses mine are outstanding . Electricity and gas is either very cheap here or there's some sort of monetary conversion factor that is missing . I know that you get a lot more work out of 240 volts, and the installation is cheaper and the line losses are less so there should be a significant amount of thrift in your system of supply and delivery . Our puny 240v split system to 120v interior voltage is not conducive to economy, yet we are cheaper by a large amount . I don't get it . Youse guys is being hosed down, methinks . |
SurferJoe46 (51) | ||
| 497958 | 2006-11-11 00:18:00 | We looked at changing our electric cylinder to a gas 'on demand' system when we remodelled the bathroom. The price of hiring the cylinders made it about the same as the existing electric costs so we didn't bother. Surfer Joe - our all electric powered house (apart from wood burner in winter) costs us about $80-90 per month for the two of us. It is hard to imagine a home costing $800 per month for electric costs in NZ (an average house anyway). Although, our winters are mild compared with some parts of the States. |
user (1404) | ||
| 497959 | 2006-11-11 00:37:00 | SurferJoe - for future reference, the gas used is LPG. Info here: www.rockgas.co.nz |
somebody (208) | ||
| 497960 | 2006-11-11 00:59:00 | Nothing cooks fried rice or Chow Mein like a proper gas stove and solid wok. | bob_doe_nz (92) | ||
| 497961 | 2006-11-11 01:10:00 | We looked at changing our electric cylinder to a gas 'on demand' system when we remodelled the bathroom . The price of hiring the cylinders made it about the same as the existing electric costs so we didn't bother . Surfer Joe - our all electric powered house (apart from wood burner in winter) costs us about $80-90 per month for the two of us . It is hard to imagine a home costing $800 per month for electric costs in NZ (an average house anyway) . Although, our winters are mild compared with some parts of the States . The homes that I see (Medallion All-Electric types) are very expensive to heat and cool and cook and bake and light and whatever . . . . they are a big expense to operate, but the appliances that run on electric are cheaper to install/buy . . so if one is not aware of the ultimate over time expenses, the sweet taste of less cost up front is offset by the sour taste of huge electric bills . A woman to whom I was engaged after my first wife passed away had one of those Medallion Homes . . . and her electric bill was over $800US/month . Her water bill for irrigating 5+ acres was about the same . . . and she had no gas on the property for heat or anything else . If we had married, I would have been post haste replacing those wasteful devices with gas operated ones . . at least where it was applicable . |
SurferJoe46 (51) | ||
| 497962 | 2006-11-12 08:23:00 | SurferJoe46, I feel we are being deprived, gas irrigating is just not available here, if it was the gas coming off Parliament would give us the most abundant grass in the universe. Or is it not applicable? :) |
R2x1 (4628) | ||
| 497963 | 2006-11-12 17:51:00 | SurferJoe46, I feel we are being deprived, gas irrigating is just not available here, if it was the gas coming off Parliament would give us the most abundant grass in the universe. Or is it not applicable? :) That's not what I said...perhaps it lost a little in the translation...but I was saying: Her water bill for irrigating 5+ acres was about the same...and she had no gas on the property for heat or anything else. If we had married, I would have been post haste replacing those wasteful devices with gas operated ones..at least where it was applicable. __________ and meant that the water bill was about the same as her electric rates.:p :blush: :lol: ;) |
SurferJoe46 (51) | ||
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