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| Thread ID: 74448 | 2006-11-23 00:32:00 | Brash resigns | leonidas5 (2306) | PC World Chat |
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| 501348 | 2006-11-30 14:03:00 | I had this conversation before with Cicero and I know both of those books, I read them at University when I was 19. I have always been a boss even when I was young, I grew up as a white child in Africa, I am used to giving advice and orders to adults who happened to be black, that is where my distaste came from for the boss/worker model, I prefer to work as a team with no definite ruler. The centralized mainframe model for business was discredited years ago, I prefer asynchronous intelligent peripherals with an overall philosophy and task structure. Business in NZ is still in the Dark Ages. I have worked at Taits and Dynamic Controls during their growth periods when they became well known companies. All the good work done there by dedicated individuals was subsumed and destroyed by antiquated business practices and views. There wasn't even a recognition of why both became successful suddenly. Run by ignorant men who suddenly hit the big time and did not have the breeding to cope with it. Knowledge is not the only criteria for successful leadership as Brash found out. In the end greed and ruthlessness take over in the absence of ability. Look up Teleology and Mechanistic on Wikipedia. |
zqwerty (97) | ||
| 501349 | 2006-11-30 14:10:00 | Teleology: concerned with ultimate goals and purposes. Bosses do this, in the old model. Mechanistic: How the aims and goals are to be achieved (the means). Workers and Technical staff. The Technical staff are now more educated and knowledgeable than the Bosses, (the new model), they just need to be enabled by the Executive. |
zqwerty (97) | ||
| 501350 | 2006-11-30 14:13:00 | The reason you always see the glass as half empty is you have never aspired to being a boss yourself. I will suggest two books for you to read by Anne Rand "Atlas Shrugged" and "The Fountain Head". She is a very political writer of about the thirties but is still relevant today. Things don't actually change that much. I do hate the World Bank and what it represents. They were behind Enron taking over the water supplies in Argentina. You can tell a right-wing dip-stick wally coz when they're out of their mob they can't even get their references right. ""Ayn Rand". Ok? Sure i've read it myself also read Kahllil Gilbran and Richard Prebble. (Also twaddle) OK peace dude hard to figure it all out but best wiishes to all yr friends & family ...mark |
mark c (247) | ||
| 501351 | 2006-11-30 14:26:00 | I had this conversation before with Cicero and I know both of those books, I read them at University when I was 19. I have always been a boss even when I was young, I grew up as a white child in Africa, I am used to giving advice and orders to adults who happened to be black, that is where my distaste came from for the boss/worker model, I prefer to work as a team with no definite ruler. The centralized mainframe model for business was discredited years ago, I prefer asynchronous intelligent peripherals with an overall philosophy and task structure. Business in NZ is still in the Dark Ages. I have worked at Taits and Dynamic Controls during their growth periods when they became well known companies. All the good work done there by dedicated individuals was subsumed and destroyed by antiquated business practices and views. There wasn't even a recognition of why both became successful suddenly. Run by ignorant men who suddenly hit the big time and did not have the breeding to cope with it. Knowledge is not the only criteria for successful leadership as Brash found out. In the end greed and ruthlessness take over in the absence of ability. Look up Teleology and Mechanistic on Wikipedia. I can't argue with that point of view! |
mikebartnz (21) | ||
| 501352 | 2006-11-30 14:39:00 | You can tell a right-wing dip-stick wally coz when they're out of their mob they can't even get their references right. ""Ayn Rand". Ok? Sure i've read it myself also read Kahllil Gilbran and Richard Prebble. (Also twaddle) OK peace dude hard to figure it all out but best wiishes to all yr friends & family ...mark Ok I will concede to misspelling the Ayn but the rest of your rant just goes to show how ignorant you are unlike zqwerty who manage to read between the lines and not get quite so personal so who does that make the dip-stick. |
mikebartnz (21) | ||
| 501353 | 2006-11-30 14:55:00 | Ok I will concede to misspelling the Ayn but the rest of your rant just goes to show how ignorant you are unlike zqwerty who manage to read between the lines and not get quite so personal so who does that make the dip-stick. OK I take it all back and you are not a dipstick but until you prove otherwise you may well be a stip-dik. LOL dude give it up I am just being funny really. Unless you realy want an ideological smack-a-forcuiom which I am quite happy to participate in.........mark |
mark c (247) | ||
| 501354 | 2006-11-30 15:08:00 | OK I take it all back and you are not a dipstick but until you prove otherwise you may well be a stip-dik. LOL dude give it up I am just being funny really. Unless you realy want an ideological smack-a-forcuiom which I am quite happy to participate in.........mark I'll place you on probation too. |
mikebartnz (21) | ||
| 501355 | 2006-11-30 15:17:00 | See you and raise you two. :) | mark c (247) | ||
| 501356 | 2006-11-30 20:07:00 | Teleology: concerned with ultimate goals and purposes. Bosses do this, in the old model. Mechanistic: How the aims and goals are to be achieved (the means). Workers and Technical staff. The Technical staff are now more educated and knowledgeable than the Bosses, (the new model), they just need to be enabled by the Executive. Time to recognise you need help Zqwerty. When you are the only one in step. |
Cicero (40) | ||
| 501357 | 2006-11-30 22:58:00 | We had a whole team in step in two different instances in time and place for prolonged periods, just the bosses who didn't get it but of course it wasn't in their interests to do that, they were basically redundant and they knew it even though the companies were thriving without their obvious input in the form of orders when everybody else already knew what to do. I know it works because I've seen it do so twice, but elimination of middle management due to a paradyme shift is obviously not welcomed by them. You just need to get the workers in line by telling them that the work they do this week brings in the money to pay them next week, there is no big pool of money lying around from which their wages come, that gets them working very well, anybody who doesn't work hard you just fire. See, "meet the new boss, same as the old boss", haha. |
zqwerty (97) | ||
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