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Thread ID: 74448	2006-11-23 00:32:00	Brash resigns	leonidas5 (2306)	PC World Chat

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501338	2006-11-30 12:48:00	You are so poetic Greg.One tries.	Greg (193)
501339	2006-11-30 12:52:00	Bill English was an inexperienced leader that could be controlled. When he didn't make the cut, they found another inexperienced leader that could be controlled, but this time with a bit more charisma. The photo of John Key in the Southland Times this morning looked very evil Actually when he stood for PM the PR boys initially handled his presentation and then he got sick of them and at the end did it himself and came across far better. I will agree he probably did not have enough experiance at the time but I do not know why National put Brash as leader before he had been voted in in a nice safe elctorate.	mikebartnz (21)
501340	2006-11-30 12:53:00	Now they want my money for the stadium. When they present the World Cup bid there was no mention that we are paying for the stadium. I feel the government should foot the whole bill. Who will benefit from having the stadium - the businesses and the government, of course. With 11.5b surplus, what should the priority be when things are in shambles - roading, poor public transport, high crime rates, pharmac issues, health board issues, education issues, etc. We should the basic right first before anything else - health, security and education. i agree that the govt should foot the bill, and should really fix all the current issues first, but what you must remember is the government's money is actually our money - although i don't wan't to see a rates increase for this stupid stadium, the govt paying for it makes no real difference, and if businesses benefit so what? aslong as they are nz owned.... i'm sick of nz pumping money overseas, now even trademe is a money-pump:yuck:	motorbyclist (188)
501341	2006-11-30 13:01:00	"Is your glass always half empty" Unless you view the world through rose tinted glasses the glass is actually about 15-25% full ever, in my estimation, the other 75-85% is self delusion and refusal to see the world as it actually is. Since most people see it as you are suggesting, (ie half full) because of peer pressure, this just makes things even worse and nothing ever even reaches optimum possible level. As long as people are forced to have a falsely optimistic world view and believe it is them that are at fault and not the experience itself nothing will ever get better. The iconoclastic worldview held by Aussies and Kiwis is a clever manipulation by exploitative ruling classes transferred down to foolish slavish workers and adopted as their own, as was the plan. This means that all high level thinking is dismissed and the only reason to live is to work hard, for the poor foolish workers, the bosses meanwhile live lives of luxury whilst complaining that the workers are not working hard enough.	zqwerty (97)
501342	2006-11-30 13:05:00	Eg, Did you have an 'affair' ? Answer: Yes of course I did, I have hot blood in my veins. Then many peoples verdict would be, good bloke. :) (I'm not referring here to anyone specific) Billy boy comes to mind!	mikebartnz (21)
501343	2006-11-30 13:16:00	In the end you get what you deserve. What a pity the policies he enforced whilst head of the Treasury will have long-lasting effects on the NZ economy the full extent of which we still have not fully appreciated, as the manufacturing heart of the country, such as it was, has been torn asunder by the right wing idiotic monetarist philosophies and yet like Roger Douglas and Richard Prebble he will just get away with it, probably on a sweet retirement fund. May he and all his ilk be revealed as the "Hollow Men" they truly are. Not a true leader just a middle management fraudster who does not see the big picture, and I should know, I have met and worked for so many of these incompetents in my life. I spit on them all. About six months ago on TV I saw an interview with Roger Douglas and he said that if he had to do it all again he would not change anything. That to me shows a very ignorant man or just a man with no clues.	mikebartnz (21)
501344	2006-11-30 13:28:00	Roger Douglas reminds me of a Nazi, Richard Prebble is a buffoon with quite a fast mouth, I have seen him in action in ChCh square being heckled and he is a formidable opponent because of his ill-held convictions and ability to ridicule "on the hoof", he is like an evil David Lange. R.D. & R.P. are both frightening zealots. David Lange was a lawyer in charge of the Labour Party, what a joke, an admirable man but essentially weak when it came to the crunch and he met up with "pit bulls", I wouldn't have liked to be in his shoes, 'nuff said.	zqwerty (97)
501345	2006-11-30 13:32:00	aslong as they are nz owned.... i'm sick of nz pumping money overseas, now even trademe is a money-pump:yuck: Exactly even most of the old New Zealand icons are now owned overseas EG: Tip Top, Swandri, Fairydown. I have a lot of respect for the boss at Swazi who a Trade & Industry guy tried to persuade him to move his operation to China and he said that he liked his 60 employees and wasn't about to ditch them. They are a very good quality product but have a premium for it. Which is better to churn out rubbish that gets ditchede after a couple of months or have something that lasts for years. A number of years ago there was a Lincoln College professor who said NZ could now never get out of debt because we now owned nothing of great worth. All the family silver has now gone.	mikebartnz (21)
501346	2006-11-30 13:40:00	I had the opportunity to get close to David and his mistress/lover outside ChCh Library for about 5 minutes one day, they didn't notice the eyes of a keen observer, even if I say so myself, he gave me a strange body "feel", speaking in a odd, booming, loud voice, unnecessarily so for the circumstances, somehow trying to exert his presence as a defense against his feeling of unease. He seemed to be not at ease in the street out in the open, not a man I would want to be led by in difficult and dangerous situations. I recognise this behaviour in myself when I am not feeling confident because of unfamiliar surroundings. I would not have expected it in a man in charge of the country, essentially a "king" at the time. A bad "ruler" who let the people down. What I am trying to say is I got no feeling of inner calm from him which is something I look for in people even if they are only putting it on as that at least shows some sort of higher awareness even as an act.	zqwerty (97)
501347	2006-11-30 13:44:00	"Is your glass always half empty" Unless you view the world through rose tinted glasses the glass is actually about 15-25% full ever, in my estimation, the other 75-85% is self delusion and refusal to see the world as it actually is. Since most people see it as you are suggesting, (ie half full) because of peer pressure, this just makes things even worse and nothing ever even reaches optimum possible level. As long as people are forced to have a falsely optimistic world view and believe it is them that are at fault and not the experience itself nothing will ever get better. The iconoclastic worldview held by Aussies and Kiwis is a clever manipulation by exploitative ruling classes transferred down to foolish slavish workers and adopted as their own, as was the plan. This means that all high level thinking is dismissed and the only reason to live is to work hard, for the poor foolish workers, the bosses meanwhile live lives of luxury whilst complaining that the workers are not working hard enough. The reason you always see the glass as half empty is you have never aspired to being a boss yourself. I will suggest two books for you to read by Anne Rand "Atlas Shrugged" and "The Fountain Head". She is a very political writer of about the thirties but is still relevant today. Things don't actually change that much. I do hate the World Bank and what it represents. They were behind Enron taking over the water supplies in Argentina.	mikebartnz (21)
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