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722099	2008-11-22 19:56:00	Since removing stubborn malware a few weeks ago my Auto Updates for Windows cannot contact the server, nor can I instal the update waiting since 6th Nov. I get error codes in both cases: 80244019 & 8024402C. My Restore / Backup will also not work- Error (missing file 0x8007002). I think this problem is related to the update issue (happened the same time). See seperate post - VISTA Error Help Needed. Can any of you clued up guys - Speedy, perhaps- please look at this log and make any rcommendations ? Thanks. taLogfile of Trend Micro HijackThis v2.0.2 Scan saved at 16:39:46, on 22/11/2008 Platform: Windows Vista SP1 (WinNT 6.00.1905) MSIE: Internet Explorer v7.00 (7.00.6001.18000) Boot mode: Normal Running processes: C:\Windows\system32\Dwm.exe C:\Windows\Explorer.EXE C:\Windows\SYSTEM32\taskeng.exe C:\Windows\RtHDVCpl.exe C:\Program Files\Java\jre1.6.0_07\bin\jusched.exe C:\Program Files\CyberLink\Shared files\brs.exe C:\Program Files\AVG\AVG8\avgtray.exe C:\Program Files\Winamp\winampa.exe C:\Program Files\Ashampoo\Ashampoo Magical Defrag 2\bin\defragTaskBar.exe C:\Program Files\Windows Sidebar\sidebar.exe C:\Program Files\Google\GoogleToolbarNotifier\GoogleToolbarNo tifier.exe C:\Windows\ehome\ehtray.exe C:\Program Files\Windows Media Player\wmpnscfg.exe C:\Program Files\Webshots\Webshots.scr C:\Windows\ehome\ehmsas.exe C:\Program Files\Windows Sidebar\sidebar.exe C:\Program Files\IncrediMail\bin\IMApp.exe C:\Program Files\Trend Micro\HijackThis\HijackThis.exe C:\Windows\system32\SearchFilterHost.exe R1 - HKLM\Software\Microsoft\Internet Explorer\Main,Default_Page_URL = http://www.medion.com/ R1 - HKLM\Software\Microsoft\Internet Explorer\Main,Default_Search_URL = go.microsoft.com R1 - HKLM\Software\Microsoft\Internet Explorer\Main,Search Page = go.microsoft.com R0 - HKLM\Software\Microsoft\Internet Explorer\Main,Start Page = go.microsoft.com R0 - HKLM\Software\Microsoft\Internet Explorer\Search,SearchAssistant = R0 - HKLM\Software\Microsoft\Internet Explorer\Search,CustomizeSearch = R0 - HKCU\Software\Microsoft\Internet Explorer\Main,Local Page = \blank.htm R0 - HKLM\Software\Microsoft\Internet Explorer\Main,Local Page = R1 - HKCU\Software\Microsoft\Internet Explorer\Main,Window Title = Microsoft Internet Explorer R0 - HKCU\Software\Microsoft\Internet Explorer\Toolbar,LinksFolderName = R3 - URLSearchHook: Yahoo! Toolbar - {EF99BD32-C1FB-11D2-892F-0090271D4F88} - C:\Program Files\ Yahoo! \Companion\Installs\cpn\yt.dll O1 - Hosts: ::1 localhost O2 - BHO: & Yahoo! Toolbar Helper - {02478D38-C3F9-4efb-9B51-7695ECA05670} - C:\Program Files\ Yahoo! \Companion\Installs\cpn\yt.dll O2 - BHO: Adobe PDF Reader Link Helper - {06849E9F-C8D7-4D59-B87D-784B7D6BE0B3} - C:\Program Files\Common Files\Adobe\Acrobat\ActiveX\AcroIEHelper.dll O2 - BHO: Lexmark Toolbar - {1017A80C-6F09-4548-A84D-EDD6AC9525F0} - C:\Program Files\Lexmark Toolbar\toolband.dll O2 - BHO: AcroIEHelperStub - {18DF081C-E8AD-4283-A596-FA578C2EBDC3} - C:\Program Files\Common Files\Adobe\Acrobat\ActiveX\AcroIEHelperShim.dll O2 - BHO: WormRadar.com IESiteBlocker.NavFilter - {3CA2F312-6F6E-4B53-A66E-4E65E497C8C0} - C:\Program Files\ExPLabs.com\LinkScanner\LinkScannerIE.dll O2 - BHO: Spybot-S&D IE Protection - {53707962-6F74-2D53-2644-206D7942484F} - C:\Program Files\Spybot - Search & Destroy\SDHelper.dll O2 - BHO: SSVHelper Class - {761497BB-D6F0-462C-B6EB-D4DAF1D92D43} - C:\Program Files\Java\jre1.6.0_07\bin\ssv.dll O2 - BHO: Windows Live Sign-in Helper - {9030D464-4C02-4ABF-8ECC-5164760863C6} - C:\Program Files\Common Files\Microsoft Shared\Windows Live\WindowsLiveLogin.dll O2 - BHO: AVG Security Toolbar - {A057A204-BACC-4D26-9990-79A187E2698E} - C:\PROGRA~1\AVG\AVG8\avgtoolbar.dll O2 - BHO: Google Toolbar Helper - {AA58ED58-01DD-4d91-8333-CF10577473F7} - c:\program files\google\googletoolbar1.dll O2 - BHO: Google Toolbar Notifier BHO - {AF69DE43-7D58-4638-B6FA-CE66B5AD205D} - C:\Program Files\Google\GoogleToolbarNotifier\4.1.805.4472\sw g.dll O2 - BHO: Windows Live Toolbar Helper - {BDBD1DAD-C946-4A17-ADC1-64B5B4FF55D0} - C:\Program Files\Windows Live Toolbar\msntb.dll O2 - BHO: FDMIECookiesBHO Class - {CC59E0F9-7E43-44FA-9FAA-8377850BF205} - C:\Program Files\Free Download Manager\iefdm2.dll O2 - BHO: Ask Toolbar BHO - {FE063DB1-4EC0-403e-8DD8-394C54984B2C} - (no file) O3 - Toolbar: Windows Live Toolbar - {BDAD1DAD-C946-4A17-ADC1-64B5B4FF55D0} - C:\Program Files\Windows Live Toolbar\msntb.dll O3 - Toolbar: Lexmark Toolbar - {1017A80C-6F09-4548-A84D-EDD6AC9525F0} - C:\Program Files\Lexmark Toolbar\toolband.dll O3 - Toolbar: Yahoo! Toolbar - {EF99BD32-C1FB-11D2-892F-0090271D4F88} - C:\Program Files\ Yahoo! \Companion\Installs\cpn\yt.dll O3 - Toolbar: &Google - {2318C2B1-4965-11d4-9B18-009027A5CD4F} - c:\program files\google\googletoolbar1.dll O3 - Toolbar: AVG Security Toolbar - {A057A204-BACC-4D26-9990-79A187E2698E} - C:\PROGRA~1\AVG\AVG8\avgtoolbar.dll O3 - Toolbar: Ask Toolbar - {FE063DB9-4EC0-403e-8DD8-394C54984B2C} - (no file) O4 - HKLM\..\Run: [RtHDVCpl] RtHDVCpl.exe O4 - HKLM\..\Run: [SunJavaUpdateSched] "C:\Program Files\Java\jre1.6.0_07\bin\jusched.exe" O4 - HKLM\..\Run: [BDRegion] C:\Program Files\Cyberlink\Shared Files\brs.exe O4 - HKLM\..\Run: [AVG8_TRAY] C:\PROGRA~1\AVG\AVG8\avgtray.exe O4 - HKLM\..\Run: [WinampAgent] "C:\Program Files\Winamp\winampa.exe" O4 - HKLM\..\Run: [QuickTime Task] "C:\Program Files\QuickTime\QTTask.exe" -atboottime O4 - HKLM\..\Run: [toolbar_eula_launcher] C:\Program Files\GoogleEULA\EULALauncher.exe O4 - HKLM\..\Run: [DefragTaskBar] "C:\Program Files\Ashampoo\Ashampoo Magical Defrag 2\bin\defragTaskBar.exe" O4 - HKLM\..\Run: [LXCRCATS] rundll32 C:\Windows\system32\spool\DRIVERS\W32X86\3\LXCRtim e.dll,_RunDLLEntry@16 O4 - HKCU\..\Run: [Sidebar] "C:\Program Files\Windows Sidebar\sidebar.exe" /autoRun O4 - HKCU\..\Run: [IncrediMail] C:\Program Files\IncrediMail\bin\IncMail.exe /c O4 - HKCU\..\Run: [swg] C:\Program Files\Google\GoogleToolbarNotifier\GoogleToolbarNo tifier.exe O4 - HKCU\..\Run: [ehTray.exe] C:\Windows\ehome\ehTray.exe O4 - HKCU\..\Run: [WMPNSCFG] C:\Program Files\Windows Media Player\WMPNSCFG.exe O4 - HKUS\S-1-5-20\..\Run: [Sidebar] %ProgramFiles%\Windows Sidebar\Sidebar.exe /detectMem (User 'NETWORK SERVICE') O4 - HKUS\S-1-5-20\..\Run: [WindowsWelcomeCenter] rundll32.exe oobefldr.dll,ShowWelcomeCenter (User 'NETWORK SERVICE') O4 - HKUS\S-1-5-18\..\Run: [swg] C:\Program Files\Google\GoogleToolbarNotifier\GoogleToolbarNo tifier.exe (User 'SYSTEM') O4 - HKUS\.DEFAULT\..\Run: [swg] C:\Program Files\Google\GoogleToolbarNotifier\GoogleToolbarNo tifier.exe (User 'Default user') O4 - Startup: Webshots.lnk = C:\Program Files\Webshots\Launcher.exe O8 - Extra context menu item: &Add animation to IncrediMail Style Box - C:\Program Files\IncrediMail\bin\resources\WebMenuImg.htm O8 - Extra context menu item: &Clean Traces - C:\Program Files\DAP\Privacy Package\dapcleanerie.htm O8 - Extra context menu item: &Download with &DAP - C:\Program Files\DAP\dapextie.htm O8 - Extra context menu item: &Windows Live Search - res://C:\Program Files\Windows Live Toolbar\msntb.dll/search.htm O8 - Extra context menu item: Add to Google Photos Screensa&ver - res://C:\Windows\system32\GPhotos.scr/200 O8 - Extra context menu item: Add to Windows &Live Favorites - favorites.live.com O8 - Extra context menu item: Download &all with DAP - C:\Program Files\DAP\dapextie2.htm O8 - Extra context menu item: Download all with Free Download Manager - file://C:\Program Files\Free Download Manager\dlall.htm O8 - Extra context menu item: Download selected with Free Download Manager - file://C:\Program Files\Free Download Manager\dlselected.htm O8 - Extra context menu item: Download video with Free Download Manager - file://C:\Program Files\Free Download Manager\dlfvideo.htm O8 - Extra context menu item: Download with Free Download Manager - file://C:\Program Files\Free Download Manager\dllink.htm O9 - Extra button: (no name) - {08B0E5C0-4FCB-11CF-AAA5-00401C608501} - C:\PROGRA~1\Java\jre1.6.0_07\bin\ssv.dll O9 - Extra 'Tools' menuitem: Sun Java Console - {08B0E5C0-4FCB-11CF-AAA5-00401C608501} - C:\PROGRA~1\Java\jre1.6.0_07\bin\ssv.dll O9 - Extra button: %BRAND Smileys - {16FE352D-F643-4A81-BC61-2C051F3A757D} - (no file) O9 - Extra button: Blog This - {219C3416-8CB2-491a-A3C7-D9FCDDC9D600} - C:\Program Files\Windows Live\Writer\WriterBrowserExtension.dll O9 - Extra 'Tools' menuitem: &Blog This in Windows Live Writer - {219C3416-8CB2-491a-A3C7-D9FCDDC9D600} - C:\Program Files\Windows Live\Writer\WriterBrowserExtension.dll O9 - Extra button: %BRAND eCards - {82E2B317-7C9C-4F12-B920-AC37D928CD43} - (no file) O9 - Extra button: (no name) - {DFB852A3-47F8-48C4-A200-58CAB36FD2A2} - C:\Program Files\Spybot - Search & Destroy\SDHelper.dll O9 - Extra 'Tools' menuitem: Spybot - Search && Destroy Configuration - {DFB852A3-47F8-48C4-A200-58CAB36FD2A2} - C:\Program Files\Spybot - Search & Destroy\SDHelper.dll O10 - Unknown file in Winsock LSP: c:\program files\explabs.com\linkscanner\wrnetdrv.dll O10 - Unknown file in Winsock LSP: c:\program files\explabs.com\linkscanner\wrnetdrv.dll O10 - Unknown file in Winsock LSP: c:\program files\explabs.com\linkscanner\wrnetdrv.dll O10 - Unknown file in Winsock LSP: c:\program files\explabs.com\linkscanner\wrnetdrv.dll O10 - Unknown file in Winsock LSP: c:\program files\explabs.com\linkscanner\wrnetdrv.dll O10 - Unknown file in Winsock LSP: c:\program files\explabs.com\linkscanner\wrnetdrv.dll O10 - Unknown file in Winsock LSP: c:\program files\explabs.com\linkscanner\wrnetdrv.dll O10 - Unknown file in Winsock LSP: c:\program files\explabs.com\linkscanner\wrnetdrv.dll O10 - Unknown file in Winsock LSP: c:\program files\explabs.com\linkscanner\wrnetdrv.dll O10 - Unknown file in Winsock LSP: c:\program files\explabs.com\linkscanner\wrnetdrv.dll O10 - Unknown file in Winsock LSP: c:\program files\explabs.com\linkscanner\wrnetdrv.dll O16 - DPF: {459E93B6-150E-45D5-8D4B-45C66FC035FE} (get_atlcom Class) - apps.corel.com O17 - HKLM\System\CCS\Services\Tcpip\..\{8B3EF68D-9358-4930-B5B3-1097CAD71E64}: NameServer = 85.255.112.145;85.255.112.150 O18 - Protocol: linkscanner - {F274614C-63F8-47D5-A4D1-FBDDE494F8D1} - C:\Program Files\AVG\AVG8\avgpp.dll O20 - AppInit_DLLs: avgrsstx.dll O23 - Service: a-squared Free Service (a2free) - Emsi Software GmbH - C:\Program Files\a-squared Free\a2service.exe O23 - Service: Lavasoft Ad-Aware Service (aawservice) - Lavasoft - C:\Program Files\Lavasoft\Ad-Aware\aawservice.exe O23 - Service: Adobe LM Service - Unknown owner - C:\Program Files\Common Files\Adobe Systems Shared\Service\Adobelmsvc.exe O23 - Service: Intel(R) Alert Service (AlertService) - Intel(R) Corporation - C:\Program Files\Intel\IntelDH\CCU\AlertService.exe O23 - Service: Avira AntiVir Personal - Free Antivirus Scheduler (AntiVirScheduler) - Avira GmbH - C:\Program Files\Avira\AntiVir PersonalEdition Classic\sched.exe O23 - Service: Avira AntiVir Personal - Free Antivirus Guard (AntiVirService) - Avira GmbH - C:\Program Files\Avira\AntiVir PersonalEdition Classic\avguard.exe O23 - Service: Ashampoo Defrag Service (AshampooDefragService) - - C:\Program Files\Ashampoo\Ashampoo Magical Defrag 2\bin\aDefragService.exe O23 - Service: AVG Free8 E-mail Scanner (avg8emc) - AVG Technologies CZ, s.r.o. - C:\PROGRA~1\AVG\AVG8\avgemc.exe O23 - Service: AVG Free8 WatchDog (avg8wd) - AVG Technologies CZ, s.r.o. - C:\PROGRA~1\AVG\AVG8\avgwdsvc.exe O23 - Service: Intel(R) DHTrace Controller (DHTRACE) - Intel(R) Corporation - C:\Program Files\Common Files\Intel\IntelDH\bin\DHTraceController.exe O23 - Service: DQLWinService - Unknown owner - C:\Program Files\Common Files\Intel\IntelDH\NMS\AdpPlugins\DQLWinService.e xe O23 - Service: Google Updater Service (gusvc) - Google - C:\Program Files\Google\Common\Google Updater\GoogleUpdaterService.exe O23 - Service: LightScribeService Direct Disc Labeling Service (LightScribeService) - Hewlett-Packard Company - C:\Program Files\Common Files\LightScribe\LSSrvc.exe O23 - Service: lxcr_device - - C:\Windows\system32\lxcrcoms.exe O23 - Service: NMSAccessU - Unknown owner - C:\Program Files\CDBurnerXP\NMSAccessU.exe O23 - Service: Cyberlink RichVideo Service(CRVS) (RichVideo) - Unknown owner - C:\Program Files\CyberLink\Shared files\RichVideo.exe O23 - Service: PC Tools Auxiliary Service (sdAuxService) - PC Tools - C:\Program Files\Spyware Doctor\pctsAuxs.exe O23 - Service: PC Tools Security Service (sdCoreService) - PC Tools - C:\Program Files\Spyware Doctor\pctsSvc.exe O23 - Service: Spyware Terminator Realtime Shield Service (sp_rssrv) - Crawler.com - C:\Program Files\Spyware Terminator\sp_rsser.exe O23 - Service: X10 Device Network Service (x10nets) - X10 - C:\PROGRA~1\COMMON~1\X10\Common\x10nets.exe -- End of file - 12543 bytes	blanco (11336)
722100	2008-11-22 21:33:00	Disable system restore, then download ccleaner (www.ccleaner.com) (run both the Cleaner and Registry options). Download malwarebytes (www.malwarebytes.org), update it and run a full scan, and lastly, get Trojan Remover (www.simplysup.com), update it and run a scan. Run all the utilities from that menu also. Repost a HJT log after you've done this (it should fix the problem though)	nofam (9009)
722101	2008-11-22 21:51:00	The post is a carry on from This thread (pressf1.pcworld.co.nz) NOTE: can a mod possibly merge the two so it doesn't get confusing.	wainuitech (129)
722102	2008-11-22 22:02:00	I have scanned with AVG, AVIRA, ASQUARED, NORTON, MALWAREBITES, SPYBOT, SPYWARE REMOVER, SPYWARE DOCTOR, SPYWARE TERMINATOR, SPYWARE BLASTER, TROJAN REMOVER and ROGUE REMOVER. I am convinced that my PC is now clean but maybe in the process of removing the rogue (auto.inf), I have removed or damaged files. The rogue seemed to hijack IE7 which I have reset. Everything seems to be working O.K. apart from the progs mentioned in my previous post. Thank you for reponding so quickly..............blanco.	blanco (11336)
722103	2008-11-22 22:03:00	You have the DNS changer trojan called Wareout. Download FixWareout from here: files.filefront.com or here: www.4shared.com Save it to your desktop and run it. Click Next, then Install, make sure "Run fixit" is checked and click Finish. The fix will begin; follow the prompts. You will be asked to reboot your computer; please do so. Your system may take longer than usual to load; this is normal. Once the desktop loads Save the text that will open (report.txt) to your desktop. Should you have problems connecting to the internet after the fix, follow these instrutions. Please go to Start -> Control Panel Network Connections. Rightclick on your default connection (usually Local Area Connection or Dial-up Connection if you are using Dial-up) and leftclick on Properties. Doubleclick on the Internet Protocol (TCP/IP) item and select the button that says "Obtain DNS servers automatically". Click OK twice, and restart your computer. In your next reply, please include a fresh Hijackthis log and report.txt. Thanks	Pancake (6359)
722104	2008-11-22 23:46:00	Thanks, Pancake. Downloaded and tried to instal FixWareout but I get the DOS display "Incompatible Version" or likewise after "press any key to continue" This also happens when Windows suggests "reinstall using recommended settings". I have gone back to the download website and can only find one version?	blanco (11336)
722105	2008-11-23 03:24:00	Ok.Maybe it does not run on Vista......along with hundreds of other programs..	Pancake (6359)
722106	2008-11-23 06:37:00	Thanks, Pancake. Downloaded and tried to instal FixWareout but I get the DOS display "Incompatible Version" or likewise after "press any key to continue" This also happens when Windows suggests "reinstall using recommended settings". I have gone back to the download website and can only find one version? Have you tried Program Compatibility? Cheers :)	Renmoo (66)
722107	2008-11-23 06:46:00	Try Dial a Fix, fixes stubborn windows update problems. Run it in compatibility mode	Blam (54)
722108	2008-11-23 11:35:00	Thanks, looked very promising but no Vista version available. The author of Dial a Fix states that the program would need to be completely rewritten for VISTA and gives no indication of doing so. You may be interested in his comments on VISTA from his website ( BAD LANGUAGE - unedited) :- Posted by: DjLizard(Another double feature!) Part I: Top ten reasons why Dial-a-fix doesn't support Vista yet 10. Vista sucks 9. Vista sucks 8. Vista sucks 7. Vista sucks 6. Vista sucks 5. I don't have very much personal time available to me these days. 4. I don't have any spare computers with which I could run Vista at the moment. 3. I use Borland Delphi which is ****ing terrible, and I haven't been able to get back to my C studies for several months now. Object Pascal (as a language) is kick-ass (in my opinion), but Borland's IDE is complete garbage - especially its cost. Don't suggest .NET... that's not even funny. 2. Microsoft changed nearly everything Dial-a-fix is capable of fixing to the point that Dial-a-fix has to be rewritten from the ground up just for Vista. Nobody's really got lists of "common" fixes the way XP has. Dial-a-fix is just a collection of known fixes, anyway - 99% of what DAF does is not even my invention. 1. Microsoft should fix their **** so Dial-a-fix need not exist. Is it too much to ask for a brand new operating system version not to bring 7 years worth of bugs with it? Basically, #1 is that I can't currently be arsed to fix their brand new old bugs - that's their ****ing job! Everyone should petition Microsoft to get their **** together. How can this stuff happen so much to so many people that a program like Dial-a-fix needs to be made? If I can do it, why can't Microsoft? I will probably make a Vista version, but don't ride my ass about when and where. Vista is an abomination and it just goes to show you that even if you "listen" to your customers (by way of usability tests, etc) it doesn't guarantee you'll get the implementation right. Microsoft needs to go back to the basics and re-think the way people use computers. Most people are multitasking, non-deterministic users. Some are single-tasking deterministic users who have old habits that are hard to break. Tough for you folks - you'll need to renew your computing license. One of the problems I see in Vista is that it tried to simultaneously retain backward compatibility while moving forward. The result: a train wreck. You know who doesn't care AT ALL about your previous programs working? Apple. They couldn't give less of a flying double monkey **** about your programs working in the next version. You know what else? This seems to be perfectly acceptable behavior in the Mac community. Why isn't anyone up in arms about how Apple constantly ditches everyone, each time a major OS release is made? At least Microsoft tries (even if they inevitably fail). Part II: Mac zealotry Don't even get me started about Mac zealotry (too late). Some (but not most) Mac users have serious mental issues and honestly believe that Apple computers are somehow special or better than PCs. I have news for you: they suck exactly as much as PCs - no more, no less. They fail too, and often in the same ways as PCs. Sure, there aren't any major viruses going around, but that's because people with virus programming skill are usually in it for the money, and are too skilled to waste their time on 1% of 1% of the computing population. (It might even be embarrassing to them to some degree.) Apple almost had it right except that they've spent a lot of their time and money mocking Microsoft Windows and not a whole lot of time developing a better computing attitude and environment and moving forward with technology. So what if you're some hipster/yankee twentysomething who buys vendor-locked brand name computers at ridiculously inflated prices to use most of the same programs that are available for Windows? Sure, sometimes it's not the exact same program, but with so many choices available, there has to be something for Windows that does the same thing as what you're trying to accomplish on a Mac. There's a lot more freeware on the PC than there is on a Mac, too. Most of the time they mock PCs for the wrong reasons. PCs don't get viruses, Windows does. PCs don't need major overhauls to upgrade operating system software - Windows does. A PC is just some hardware. Everything after that is up to the operating system, of which there are many available. It's just unfortunate for all of us that Microsoft won that war before the war really began. You know the Mac guy on the PC versus Mac commercials? That guy is more smug than a mother****er. Meanwhile, the PC guy is hilarious and has a nerdy charm to him. The Mac guy is a huge douche about everything, constantly mocking the poor PC's troubles, ignoring the fact that he has his own, as well as the fact that he lives in his mom's basement smoking pot all the time and needs to shave, get some respectable clothes, and get a ****ing job. I digress. You basically bought a PC with different software on it. You have what kind of processor and motherboard (I'm sorry - "logic board")? Oh right, Intel. What kind of power supplies are used in Macs? ATX and BTX. What kind of hard drive? Seagate. Congratulations: you bought the most proprietary PC possible that still contains nothing but regular modular PC parts (excluding the motherboard's design and firmware). At least it can run Windows, I guess. I'm not sure if that's a pro or a con.	blanco (11336)
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