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Thread ID: 75200	2006-12-19 23:09:00	It's safer in Iraq	Billy T (70)	PC World Chat

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508105	2006-12-19 23:09:00	Some interesting stats! If you consider that there has been an average of 160,000 troops in the Iraq theatre of operations during the last 22 months, and a total of 2,112 deaths, that gives a monthly firearm death rate of 60 per 100,000 soldiers. The firearm death rate in Washington D.C. is 80.6 per 100,000 persons for the same period. That means that you are about 33% more likely to be shot and killed in the U.S. Capital, which has some of the strictest gun control laws in the nation, than you are in Iraq. Conclusion? The U.S. should pull out of Washington immediately. Cheers Billy 8-{) Disclaimer: I only posted it, I don't believe the Washington stats either. That would be 1773.2 gun deaths per 100,000 over 22 months. At that rate their morticians must be making an absolute killing. :D	Billy T (70)
508106	2006-12-20 02:20:00	. . . months . At that rate their morticians must be making an absolute killing . :D Wouldn't they be making a metaphorical killing out of the absolute killing? (Unless it is some sort of extreme policy of trade augmentation, then they play both parts . ):waughh:	R2x1 (4628)
508107	2006-12-20 02:24:00	in the Iraq a monthly firearm death rate of 60 per 100,000 soldiers. The firearm death rate in Washington D.C. is 80.6 per 100,000 persons for the same period. That means that you are about 33% more likely to be shot and killed in the U.S. Capital, which has some of the strictest gun control laws in the nation, Conclusion? {) Drivel. Dunblane has a law that no private individuals are allowed hand guns. America on the other hand consider it to be like owning toilet paper. Conclusion: Not surprised they keep killing each other.	pctek (84)
508108	2006-12-20 02:42:00	Some interesting stats! that gives a monthly firearm death rate of 60 per 100,000 soldiers. The firearm death rate in Washington D.C. is 80.6 per 100,000 persons for the same period. Well actually it is worse than that. A large number of soldier deaths in Iraq will be down to explosives, not firearms.	Biggles (121)
508109	2006-12-20 04:14:00	Drivel . Dunblane has a law that no private individuals are allowed hand guns . America on the other hand consider it to be like owning toilet paper . Hmmm . . . . . . . . . When did Dunblane become a country (or an American State)? Of course a number of US gun deaths are probably caused by good 'ol boys forgetting that their gun is not toilet paper, and covering themselves in sh*t while simultaneously wiping themselves out . As a spectator sport, it would sure beat shooting your mouth off in bars, and would probably earn a prime position on one of them there stoopid home video shows: "Stop pickin yor tooth and come look Ethel, I done thort of a great way to test mah gun an clear them dingle-berries from mah ass at th' same time . " Cheers Billy 8-{) :D (With apologies to SJ! I've got some great friends in the US of A and there ain't one of em that's shot their ass off yet . Mouths are a different matter entirely . )	Billy T (70)
508110	2006-12-20 05:05:00	Although I personally don't own any firearms . . . but used to . . . . I think there's a few misconceptions about guns and the US . In Washington DC, guns are illegal in the hands of lawful citizens . Illegal guns are in the hands of illegally-operating citizens or aliens . Naturalized citizens are not allowed to own concealable weapons or rifles or shotguns with less than 18 inch barrel length . Some states have CCW laws that allow citizens (natural born only) of that same state to carry on themselves and in the vehicles loaded and concealed weapons . States like New York with it's Sullivan act, make it illegal to own a firearm of any sort without a state-issued permit . Now: Arizona has CCW pro laws, and there are very few drive-by shootings or shooting in road rage incidents . The next driver might be CCW . Most problems are from illegal aliens and non-citizens who have illegally brought weapons from Mexico across the very loose and weak border inspection station . Washington DC is not a state . . . it is a territory that is set aside from surrounding states for the creation of a national capitol . It is a federal reserve . It is controlled by the military . The inhabitants are few, as the majority of people do not live there . . . but they commute from other states to work there daily . The people that DO live there and seriously . . . er . . . . illegal in residency . . . as in, illegal aliens and undocumented workers with phony id's, social security cards and ties to terrorist groups and left-wing militants . These people don't usually obey laws pertaining to guns and use thereof . New York State, including the Big Apple is full of "special permits" in the form of juice from judges and in-laws and other neer' do-wells who get a friendly judge to sign for a legal CCW . Most gang shootings are street puppies who have to "tough-in" to neighborhood gangs and drug cartels by killing some innocent people first . They also like to kill each other a lot and they take out whole families of the "other gangs" or non-homies . The Mafia had certain beauty . . they only took out the guy who created the problem . . they even looked after the widows and children of the people who got whacked for the rest of their lives . . . cool . . huh? Now . . . and I say this without any silliness . . . there is no justifiable reason to kill anyone for recreation or illegal and immoral gains . The modern "gangs" are the ones making all the headlines and they have no fear at killing masses of people just to get to the one person they want to hurt . The mentality is that they are doing it for the hood and that's good enough . The redneck mentality you proffered (good ol' boys) are probably the safest ones with weapons . There is a certain image of racism, and that's wrong too, but the actual use of the weapon in the hands of a good ol' boy is probably safer than a kid with a semi-auto 9mm and a banana clip who got a bad grade in school . Snidely, I will repeat the idea that every night a fleet of helicopters would fly over New York City and Los Angeles and drop . 25 cal handguns with boxes of ammo to the neighborhoods . This would be a sure way to weed out those who should not be afloat in the genepool . . . and 25's are not terribly destructive firepower anyway . I worked in a hospital for a while near Watts . . . a very heavily gang-loaded area, and we'd see many people shot with 25's who had survived a whole clip shot into them . Some just complained of a headache, which upon looking closer showed a few bullets stuck between the bony skull and the scalp . . . . . . . the projectile too weak to break through the skull . --	SurferJoe46 (51)
508111	2006-12-20 06:48:00	The redneck mentality you proffered (good ol' boys) are probably the safest ones with weapons. -- Jeez SJ, I was joking. Maybe I've watched one too many US reality-idiot shows (I've seen 3 I think) or listened to too much Jeff Foxworthy or his ilk. Bottom line is people kill people, and in the US they like to use guns or cars. Whatever the reason for US gun-related homicide figures, you have a far better chance of dying a natural death here in Godzone, and our gun deaths per 100,000 (per annum) are probably less than 0.5. No chance of being bitten by a snake or eaten by a bear either. :D Cheers Billy 8-{)	Billy T (70)
508112	2006-12-20 06:58:00	Yeah, but in USA, your chances of being mauled by a Tuatara are mighty slim :D And monstered by a Weta over there? Forget it. Don't forget, King Kong was wandering around Wellington too!	R2x1 (4628)
508113	2006-12-20 11:56:00	Some interesting stats! If you consider that there has been an average of 160,000 troops in the Iraq theatre of operations during the last 22 months, and a total of 2,112 deaths, that gives a monthly firearm death rate of 60 per 100,000 soldiers. The firearm death rate in Washington D.C. is 80.6 per 100,000 persons for the same period. That means that you are about 33% more likely to be shot and killed in the U.S. Capital, which has some of the strictest gun control laws in the nation, than you are in Iraq. Conclusion? The U.S. should pull out of Washington immediately. Cheers Billy 8-{) Disclaimer: I only posted it, I don't believe the Washington stats either. That would be 1773.2 gun deaths per 100,000 over 22 months. At that rate their morticians must be making an absolute killing. :D Two repeats in one week is too much. The other one was about the kid with the train kit. It is also the funeral palours that would be making the money not the morticians. But at the end of the day you stand a better chance of living in Iraqi than the great old USA and the USA does not know what gun control laws are about. Did you know that in this country there are more people killed with the humble old kitchen knife than a rifle.	mikebartnz (21)
508114	2006-12-20 12:14:00	Kind of ignores the obvious doesn't it, the very important stats of the indigenous deaths. You may want to measure those against American deaths to the hand of Iraqi's. ;)	Murray P (44)
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