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Thread ID: 95179	2008-11-27 00:56:00	Please check my Pc build	James281 (13409)	Press F1

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723423	2008-11-27 00:56:00	Hi im going to build this PC and would like some recommendations, or if i should change any thing . I will use it for mainly gaming and playing the latest games, wont to play at max settings . Should i get a better Motherboard, if i plan to overclock in the furture? Is Cross Fire a waste of money? Why dont i just get a mid/high card when my orginal card cant handle the games? If this is a price/performance bang for buck system should i be changing my P5Q pro to a P5Q Deluxe? price difference is about $185 to $320 Would it be more furture proof or just a waste? MotherBoard: Asustek P5Q Pro Intel P45 ATX:$182 . 25 Graphics card: ATI Radeon HD 4850 512MB graphics card:$280 . 00 Case: Antec Nine Hundred Tower Gaming Case:$179 . 95 Ram : DDR2 4GB PC2-8000 DUAL CHANNEL:$149 Power Supply: Corsair 620W HX Modular Power Supply:$170 DVD Writer: Asustek DRW-2014L1T Serial-ATA DVD Writer:$41 . 58 CPU: Intel Core 2 Quad Q6600, 2 . 4GHz, LGA775, quad core:$309 . 30 Microsoft Windows Vista Ultimate OEM 64-bit:$290 . 25 Hard Drive: Western Digital 640GB SATA 7200rpm hard drive:$121 . 49 Monitor: undecided LG W2252TQ 22" LCD 1680x1050 2ms DVI?for 22inch:$358 . 87?? possible 24inch Total: Around $2100 . Budget Around $2000 .	James281 (13409)
723424	2008-11-27 01:07:00	Why not go with a board that can do DDR3. DDR2 is so last year. I would personally also go with a Seagate HDD over WD. Check out Viewsonic monitors on Ascent's site, they are good monitors.	Bantu (52)
723425	2008-11-27 01:13:00	Well, not much wrong there....What I always say is that a single more powerful is better than 2 x less power multi GPU systems, the reason being, especially with CF, is that at present CF needs profiles in order to use crossfire, where as Nvidia does not. Therefore, AMD\ATi rushes out drivers for each new games, however they do not test every game and quite often break the fix introduced with last months driver release. Another thing to to think about, is if you get a Nvidia card now and want to upgrade to a more powerful card a year on, you can then use your older card as a physics card. There is no doubt that the ATi 4850 is a great budget performance card, however ATi dont have the best driver, the card run quite hot, you need profiles for CF, and you dont get CUDA or Physics. The only thing I'm not sure about with graphics and physics is if they need a Nvidia chipset motherboard to run, otherwise the ASUS P45 is an excellent choice. With a 22" LCD both a 9800GTX or ATi4850 would be plenty for gaming, and are around the same price, however you can re-use the NV card as physics after replacing it... My 2c	SolMiester (139)
723426	2008-11-27 01:25:00	Why not go with a board that can do DDR3. DDR2 is so last year. I would personally also go with a Seagate HDD over WD. Check out Viewsonic monitors on Ascent's site, they are good monitors. Alot of people say that DDR3 is a waste of money/ to expense i think i saw 4gb for over $400 and i can get 2x2gb DDR2 for $149 If i were to get a Motherboard that supports DDR3 ram which would it be? Also i saw that the new Intel core i7 only can use DDR3 ram and it also needs there own specail Motherboard, So wouldnt it be wise to move to DDR3 ram when i build my next build in a few years which will be with a intel core i7 and the supporting motherboard?, as im looking for good bang for buck parts Thanks	James281 (13409)
723427	2008-11-27 01:25:00	If your on a budget, personally for gaming I would loose the quad core and go 2 Duo E7200 and bump your GPU to a HD4870 . The 4850 or and 4870 will STILL be the bottleneck in 'most' games at 1680x1050 and high quality settings . Bottom line, a C2D@2 . 5 with a HD4870 will give you better performance than a Q6600@2 . 4 with a 4850 . There is prob only 10-15% in it and the cheaper CPU wont offset the price of the 4870 completely, but every frame counts imo . If you don't mind overclocking buy a nasty E2180 2 . 0GHz $120 and do a easy overclock to 3gig+ will also do the job very nicely .	Battleneter2 (9361)
723428	2008-11-27 01:31:00	DDR3 itself is cheap but most of the motherboards aren't. I'd leave it at DDR2 if budget matters. I would get a better graphics card though. As high end as you can stretch too. Apart from that, nice choices.	pctek (84)
723429	2008-11-27 01:36:00	However the Dual Core is old tech, Quad Core cpu will have a longer life span than the Dual Core as we are at a speed limit of around 4Ghz....IPC and more cores is your speed increase...and more games now and in future will be multi core aware....	SolMiester (139)
723430	2008-11-27 01:55:00	However the Dual Core is old tech, Quad Core cpu will have a longer life span than the Dual Core as we are at a speed limit of around 4Ghz....IPC and more cores is your speed increase...and more games now and in future will be multi core aware.... Its all about Rig bottlenecks not old and new tech. If the GPU is at 100% it makes NO difference if your CPU is only running at 50% or 80% due to improved multithreading and more CPU cores. If money is no object "sure" go quad otherwise, your better off investing in the best GPU you can muster as long as the CPU doest bottleneck it. A 4870 has a longer life span than a 4850 (to reverse that point), future improved multithreading games aint going to boost the performance of that already bottlenecking 4850.	Battleneter2 (9361)
723431	2008-11-27 02:05:00	Yea, i previously was gonna go with a E8500, but have read that if games in the furture are going to be developed with Quads then i might as well get a quad. I looked at the 4850 and 4870 price difference and its from $280.00 to $445.50 how much performance increase am i looking at, because i dont want to spend another $165 for a few more FPS How faster will my system run with DDR3? Remember im on a $2000 budget which the parts need to be bang for buck, i dont want to spend another $500 or so on better parts for slightly better performance increase.	James281 (13409)
723432	2008-11-27 02:12:00	DDR3/DDR3 conpatible hardware is not bang for buck no matter how far you stretch your imagination. Next year it will be, but not now. Getting a Quad Core is a good idea though.	wratterus (105)
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