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Thread ID: 75337	2006-12-25 05:32:00	is this a de facto relationship?	Ninjabear (2948)	PC World Chat

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509497	2007-01-21 05:33:00	Here's something interesting We don't work and we get $183 each thats around $366 for both of us But then if she works and she earns less then $300 We both don't get any money So she'll use $110 to pay her rent per week whic leaves her with $200 or so left and I get no income support from studylink or anything Seems a little bit awkward and unfair.Even if it was de facto gees they should look at my situation	Ninjabear (2948)
509498	2007-01-21 07:43:00	Ooops, Nomad. Sorry about that. I must've been having a blonde moment. (Yes, I'm allowed to say that - fitting it as I do/did)	Laura (43)
509499	2007-01-21 07:43:00	I would ring them up ... and ask them what things you qualify for (if any), you may get a accomodation supplement and IRD may be of some asssitance, ask them ... and they should be able t to tel you. They compute it via a flow chart while inputting your income amounts ... If you ask them .. they should tell you to call IRD ... if you qualify and such.	Nomad (952)
509500	2007-01-21 07:46:00	Ooops, Nomad. Sorry about that. I must've been having a blonde moment. (Yes, I'm allowed to say that - fitting it as I do/did) Girlfriend, yeah right. Well, not at the moment. I will say no more. :xmouth: :thumbs:	Nomad (952)
509501	2007-01-21 23:55:00	She'll be moving back home so that wouldn't be a de facto anymore? It doesn't matter if she moves back home, I believe you will still be in a de facto relationship, unless you actually break up. It doesn't matter if you live together or not. Moving out could be look on very negatively by Winz, and they could contact your friends and family to confirm your relationhip with one another. If they find that you are still in a relationship, and she has moved out, solely so you can get more money from us tax payers, I believe it could be considered as fraud. I am unsure what the issue is, if you are in a relationship, you would be considered as a single entity by the government, so you would share your joint income. It sounds like you are wanting to get as much money from us tax payers as possible.	rogerp (6864)
509502	2007-01-22 01:26:00	Here's a curveball, let's say you went to uni and lived away from home, meet a bf or a gf is that defacto? Or let's say at high school you have a gf or bf and now go to uni .. is that defacto, do you put down defacto on the form?	Nomad (952)
509503	2007-01-22 01:29:00	Here is what studylink says: Away from home By 'away from home' we mean that if you are single you do not live with your parents or, if you have a partner you do not live with them. Please note, if you are living in a house owned and maintained by your parents and you do not pay rent, then you are considered as 'living at home'. Recognised relationship A recognised relationship is when you are both 25 or over and living in a relationship in the nature of marriage. This includes being married, part of a civil union or in a de facto relationship. If either of you is under 25 one or both of you must have a child in your careto be in a recognised relationship. Please note - same sex de facto relationships are currently not recognised for Student Allowance purposes, but will be from 1 April 2007. More information about this change will be available closer to that time. Immigration says this, not sure how this applies to winz thou. Spouse and De Facto Partner Your spouse or de facto partner may be included in your residence application if you are legally married or your relationship meets the definition of a de facto relationship. For the purpose of inclusion in an application, a de facto partner is a partner in a heterosexual or same sex relationship who has been living with the principal applicant in a genuine and stable relationship for at least 2 years immediately before the application is lodged. Note: If you are in a polygamous marriage or relationship, you may include only one spouse or partner in your application for residence. Edit. It does not say, at the same addy or not .. so if its like a "genuine and stable relationship" for 2yrs then from that word it seems it is.	Nomad (952)
509504	2007-01-22 03:40:00	Here's a curveball, let's say you went to uni and lived away from home, meet a bf or a gf is that defacto? Or let's say at high school you have a gf or bf and now go to uni .. is that defacto, do you put down defacto on the form? Yes, if it is a relationship. I am pretty sure this has already been tested by common law. If you enter into a relationshp at uni, but didn't live together, and 2 years later you finish uni and move in together, and then a year later you break up, you are deemed to have been in a defacto relationship for 3 years, and in law this is deemed to be the same as marriage, and hence property would need to be divided between the couple.. Winz can use family and/or friends to verify whether the relationship exists.	rogerp (6864)
509505	2007-01-22 03:51:00	Isn't the " at least 2yr living together"? Just taking the words from immigration site that is. Then if a person breaks up in a few months or a yr (start to end), I am free, woohoo ... :D :thumbs: Another curveball, let's say the folks are v conservative you have never lived together (or less than 2yr) and you are in a relationship that is 2yr or more, you only move in when you are officially "married". Then what is that?	Nomad (952)
509506	2007-01-22 03:59:00	It doesn't matter if she moves back home, I believe you will still be in a de facto relationship, unless you actually break up. It doesn't matter if you live together or not. Moving out could be look on very negatively by Winz, and they could contact your friends and family to confirm your relationhip with one another. If they find that you are still in a relationship, and she has moved out, solely so you can get more money from us tax payers, I believe it could be considered as fraud. I am unsure what the issue is, if you are in a relationship, you would be considered as a single entity by the government, so you would share your joint income. It sounds like you are wanting to get as much money from us tax payers as possible. Studylink has told me that we are both single now since she is moving out and I am paying rent.We did not fraud in anyway .That is the information that they told us When we were in a relaionship and we are not working we get $183 each.If we are single we get $163 each so we are not getting more money from tax payers. Now that she's working she isn't suppose to be receiving any money but last week she got payed and I can't find a job and i didn't get payed When she told studylink about it studylink said we'll deduct it back but who knows if they will You tell them the truth you get penalise and mess u around	Ninjabear (2948)
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