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Thread ID: 95179	2008-11-27 00:56:00	Please check my Pc build	James281 (13409)	Press F1

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723433	2008-11-27 02:14:00	I dont need explanations on system bottlenecks,...I was just saying there is more FUTURE in the quad core rather than the dual core....apart from which that Q66 easily does 3.3Ghz, which is the fastest product speed Intel release..... Personally, I would get something like the 9800GTX or GT for now and wait for 55nm GPU release of the 200 series....then use the old card for physics, in which he would need better than a Dual core to saturate the cards...	SolMiester (139)
723434	2008-11-27 02:35:00	Yea, i previously was gonna go with a E8500, but have read that if games in the furture are going to be developed with Quads then i might as well get a quad . I looked at the 4850 and 4870 price difference and its from $280 . 00 to $445 . 50 how much performance increase am i looking at, because i dont want to spend another $165 for a few more FPS I don't dispute games will include more multithreading at all . In fact if you are running a 4870X2 or high end SLI a quad is preferable now as a lower end C2D can bottleneck the GPU's . But if your only running one 4850 and on a budget . . . . . . . . . . There are dozens of reviews all over the net, but Id say its def worth the $165 for 25-30% more GPU speed, or $65 ish if you knock the processor back to a lower C2D . oh and I agree with above DD3 is not worth the extra Mobo price when your on a budget .	Battleneter2 (9361)
723435	2008-11-27 04:17:00	Thanks for the advice. If i am to buy a second graphics card or upgrade my pc later would it be wise to get a bigger power supply? How do i work out how much power each component needs? Thanks	James281 (13409)
723436	2008-11-27 04:37:00	I also plan to be building this anytime from now to early January. Do you think there will there be major price drops over christmas? and if so should i hold out till then? Will the new Intel i7 Cpu's force the other Core duo and quads to drop? Thanks	James281 (13409)
723437	2008-11-27 05:32:00	PC component prices are always dropping, if you arnt building until Jan, best wait to see what's around then!	SolMiester (139)
723438	2008-11-27 06:07:00	if you are running a 4870X2 or high end SLI a quad is preferable now as a lower end C2D can bottleneck the GPU's. Read this: archive.atomicmpc.com.au "In games, CPU speed is currently not important. GAMES. Not video encoding. The number one limiting factor in current generation games is the GPU. " As for prices dropping, by Jnauary? No. But its always worth waiting until you are ready before choosing components. Things change. All the time. Whatever you buy will be superceded in 5 minutes.	pctek (84)
723439	2008-11-27 06:11:00	I also found this about quads and cores www.youtube.com	James281 (13409)
723440	2008-11-27 10:42:00	How long will it be before if i get a 4850, that i wont be able to play games at max settings? Do the graphics of games really increase alot every few months? And would the only thing i would need to upgrade would be the graphics card? I figured that i could buy a new bang for buck card each time a card comes out form a new series of cards and sell my old card for at least $100, meaning only around $200 each upgrade. Can some 1 give me an example of when they bought a high end graphics card and what game they started with, with the card and how long before a game they bought started to lag at max settings. Have the graphics of games really increased alot since 2007? Is there a site where i can see the FPS of a number of games using differnt graphic cards, i remember going to a site like this but i cant remember the site.	James281 (13409)
723441	2008-11-27 10:58:00	Thanks for the advice. If i am to buy a second graphics card or upgrade my pc later would it be wise to get a bigger power supply? How do i work out how much power each component needs? Thanks Bigger PSUs than you actually need is always good if you're planning to upgrade sooner rather than later. There are a few good PSU calculator floating around the web, you can google it. Usually I can roughly calculate how much W in a PSU a system would need, by experience. How long will it be before if i get a 4850, that i wont be able to play games at max settings? Do the graphics of games really increase alot every few months? Don't know about few months, but right now probably not - nothing can max Crysis in DX10. If you can set Crysis on very high/near max then you most likely can max out every other games on the planet. And would the only thing i would need to upgrade would be the graphics card? Generally, for gaming, yes. Eventually though your CPU and RAM would need upgrading, but certainly nowhere near as often as a video card. Can some 1 give me an example of when they bought a high end graphics card and what game they started with, with the card and how long before a game they bought started to lag at max settings. My first real high-end card was G80 320MB 8800GTS.Did its job quite well in Crysis (at medium/high) and Bioshock and what not. I maxed out all the games that I had except Crysis. From the 8800GTS I had an 8800GT, which gave Crysis a considerable boost, and now a 4870, which is undoubtedly the best (and hottest) card I've ever owned. Still can't max Crysis, but pretty close at 1440x900 resolution. Still, even with my 4870 I also can't max out STALKER: Clear Sky. AFAIK not even the 4870x2 can at very high resolutions (1920x1200+). Have the graphics of games really increased alot since 2007? Not really. Is there a site where i can see the FPS of a number of games using differnt graphic cards, i remember going to a site like this but i cant remember the site. yeah, there are a few, but I don't have the links. I think they can be found on www.tomshardware.com.	qazwsxokmijn (102)
723442	2008-11-27 11:52:00	I wouldn't go for the quad core Q6600 chip. It's nice to have four cores, for sure, but if you're gaming you're still better off buying a higher-clocked dual core chip (the E8500 comes to mind). The real incentive is that the E8500 is part of Intel refresh of the Core chips (Penryn, 45nm), which use less power, run colder, are newer, make you feel better about yourself, etc. Unless you're hardcore into multithreaded apps and various forms of encoding / rendering / arbitrary parallel number crunching, I doubt you'll notice any benefits by going quad core just now. I've had this debate with a few people. I would've bought the Q6600 this time last year, but since the Penryn update my priorities shifted slightly. The new quad core chips (Q9450) are far too expensive to be reasonable any more, so you're better off waiting for Nehalem - and there's really no point in sticking to the older Q6600 unless it's a sentimental thing (which I'd completely understand). That is, of course, unless you plan on overclocking.	Growly (6)
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