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Thread ID: 75773	2007-01-09 23:19:00	iPHONE	rogerp (6864)	PC World Chat

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514497	2007-01-12 21:52:00	This is probably why I detest things like cell phones, digital cameras, DVD's, and if I knew what an Ipod was I'rd probably hate it too. An iPod is a small portable device generally about the size of a packet of cigarettes that enables you to carry your entire music collection (up to 15000 songs) either in your pocket or clipped to your belt. Also very useful for portable data storage or transfer. Vista is not worth it till the end of 2007 at the earliest.	winmacguy (3367)
514498	2007-01-12 22:25:00	Watch this rant over the iPhone :) Funny www.youtube.com	netchicken (4843)
514499	2007-01-13 00:43:00	that's like me saying to you that you should be riding a GN250 because it does everything, you only brought the flasher bike because it look nicer and was made better. Why spend the xtra on a GSX250 when the GN250 does the same cause the GSXR is much higher performance and therefore fun, and i got it dirt cheap off a mate it's a '88, so doesn't look too flash either EDIT: oh, and a gsxr400 engine i hear will fit in the frame too, making for VIABLE upgrade :)	motorbyclist (188)
514500	2007-01-13 01:57:00	EDIT: oh, and a gsxr400 engine i hear will fit in the frame too, making for VIABLE upgrade :) What is not viable about upgrading a Mac? You don't have to buy a whole new machine to upgrade your Mac unless your existing machine is 3 or more years old and runs far too slowly for what your wanting to do with it. To upgrade between say Panther and Tiger all you needed to do was by the disk for 10.4 and install it. If you want to upgrade your hard drive you can get a new one Same for RAM, Graphics card (I think), Monitor etc. There are differences of what you can replace depending on the machine that you have.	winmacguy (3367)
514501	2007-01-13 02:25:00	It took Apple 30 months to develop the iPhone, thats hardware and software from the ground up as well as working with a cell phone carrier. . www.tgdaily.com Intellectual property: It has taken Microsoft and Linux years to get where Apple apparently is. While it is unlikely they copied Microsoft, OS X and Linux are actually very close. To meet what was an incredibly fast time to market, the intellectual property (IP) to make this phone work had to come from somewhere. There is a good chance it came from Linux and that community has rules that they enforce about taking their stuff and not giving back (the BSD community used to complain that Apple rarely contributed anything valuable back to their efforts).	pctek (84)
514502	2007-01-13 02:32:00	I am sure that is true. I was taking my info based on a recent article in Wired magazine which discussed the 30 month time frame. Don't worry MS is not exactly pure as the driven snow when it comes to their treatment of partners and competing software products. It just tends to be that the resulting software app or product is not always quite such a fine finished example as something that Apple would produce.	winmacguy (3367)
514503	2007-01-13 09:59:00	What is not viable about upgrading a Mac? You don't have to buy a whole new machine to upgrade your Mac unless your existing machine is 3 or more years old and runs far too slowly for what your wanting to do with it. To upgrade between say Panther and Tiger all you needed to do was by the disk for 10.4 and install it. If you want to upgrade your hard drive you can get a new one Same for RAM, Graphics card (I think), Monitor etc. There are differences of what you can replace depending on the machine that you have. financially viable then, i hear mac parts are very expensive compared to normal pc bits	motorbyclist (188)
514504	2007-01-13 11:38:00	financially viable then, i hear mac parts are very expensive compared to normal pc bits Not really. About the most expensive "Mac" component out of all that would be Apple RAM which is pretty much normal RAM with Apple markup. If you purchase suitable RAM for your Mac it doesn't necessarily have to come from Apple. generally Apple parts are specifically designed by Apple for use on Apple computers such as the Mac mouse, Mac key board, Mac monitor, Apple air port etc. price wise they are fairly competitive with similar spec'd equipment since Apple doesn't cater for the budget end of the market. You can however use any PC keyboard AFAIK, PC mouse and monitor but for photo retouching and DV work an Apple monitor is best. I prefer to use an Apple keyboard since they are the best looking and consistent in design with the computer as are the monitor and mouse. Basically motorbyclist most of what you think you know about Apple is based on old myths or stuff that existed during the mid 90's with regards to pricing and hardware compatibility/purchasing, a LOT has changed in the last 12 so years. Currently the only downside to someone like yourself owning a Mac would be from a gaming perspective.So depending on your computer usage you could/would be say 80% Windows Gaming/20% Mac everything else.	winmacguy (3367)
514505	2007-01-13 11:51:00	Apple will be able to call it the iPhone according to this article An investigation into the ongoing trademark dispute between Cisco and Apple over the name "iPhone" appears to show that Cisco does not own the mark as claimed in their recent lawsuit. This is based on publicly available information from the US Patent and Trademark office, as well as public reviews of Cisco products over the past year. The trademark was apparently abandoned in late 2005/early 2006 because Cisco was not using it. According to Jay Behmke, a partner at CMPR who specializes in trademark law, The Cisco iPhone trademark was registered 11/16/1999 (Reg. No. 2293011). In order to keep a trademark registration active, you have to file a Declaration of Use on or before the sixth anniversary of the registration date, in which you state, under penalty of perjury, that you have been using the trademark continuously during that period. The sixth anniversary would have been 11/16/2005. Cisco did not file the Declaration of Use by 11/16/2005, which if they had been using the trademark would seemingly have been easy to do. However, the USPTO gives you an extra six months grace period, if you pay an extra fee. This grace period would have expired 5/16/2006. Cisco filed a Declaration of Use on 5/4/2006 which kept their registration active. Had they not filed, their registration would have been canceled. With the Declaration, you are required to file a copy of a label or other packaging showing the trademark in use. Cisco filed a picture of the box for the Linksys iPhone. A cropped version of the picture filed by Cisco is shown above. You can find the full image on the USPTO web site. The picture shows a box for the Linksys CIT200 Cordless Internet Telephony Kit, with a sticker showing the word "iPhone™" affixed to the back, outside the shrink wrap. The front of the box is not shown, but it doesn't appear that the word iPhone appears anywhere else on the box. A search of product reviews of the CIT200 shows no mention of the word iPhone [1]. The first mention appeared in December 2006 when Cisco unveiled a series of new products bearing the iPhone name. It was not until then that the CIT200 was rebranded under the iPhone moniker [2]. Tom Keeting, CTO of TMC Labs writes: In fact, this seems to be true since the Linksys CIT200 and the Linksys CIT310, (both of which I reviewed) are now called the iPhone and were only recently renamed on December 18th. Specifically, each Linksys/Cisco product is called the Cordless Internet Telephony Kit or iPhone for short. The PDF manuals still reference the old name, such as this manual for the CIT200 and I couldn't find a single reference to the word "iPhone" in the manual even though I see "iPhone®" with the registered trademark throughout their website. I guess they missed that. Time to re-print/convert those PDFs! This information indicates that Cisco did not actively offer a product named "iPhone" between 1999 and December 2006. But they knew Apple was interested in the name because Apple had approached them and negotiations were ongoing. Jay Behmke writes: If Cisco didn't launch a product using the iPhone name, their trademark registration would be canceled and they would have no bargaining chips with Apple. So in order to keep the trademark active, they had to file the Declaration of Use, and start selling a product under that trademark. It is possible that the Declaration of Use is defective, as there was no continuous use, and the sample that Cisco submitted was for a product not released until 7 months later. The fact that the Declaration of Use was submitted only days before the deadline expires gives me the impression that they were scrambling to get a product to market, and had to file the Declaration before the product was ready. If Apple can prove in federal court that the Declaration of Use contained misstatements of fact, i.e. that there was no continuous use, then Cisco's registration can be canceled. This could clear the way for the next company in line for the iPhone trademark, Ocean Telecom Services LLC (widely regarded as a front company for Apple). It could also explain why Apple decided not to sign the agreement Cisco proposed. Behmke: Without the registration, Cisco and Apple would still have a trademark dispute to resolve, but Cisco will have a harder time proving that it has valid trademark rights. Cisco acquired the trademark when it purchased Infogear in 2000. Ironically, Infogear was granted the trademark after it was abandoned by its previous owner, a company called "Cidco".	winmacguy (3367)
514506	2007-01-13 20:44:00	I am curious as well, never had any problems adding a device. and me, ah no reply from pctek. Must be bull****	plod (107)
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