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Thread ID: 75773	2007-01-09 23:19:00	iPHONE	rogerp (6864)	PC World Chat

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514457	2007-01-12 01:41:00	you mean newer? and? microsoft windows is used by more than 90% of computer users, doesn't mean it's any good, it just means it's popular and people don't realise there are viable alternatives like mac and linux, both of which are cheaper. same for norton/mcafee; useless, but bundled with everything so people assume it's good. my neighbour is an example of that. avast free home edition found 4 viruses that mcafee missed:horrified The 512MB Shuffle is older stock that the 1 GB shuffle (depends on which 1GB shuffle your referring to.) With regards to the FLASH RAM, what I was referring to was Apples purchasing power. Due to the amount they purchase compared to other players on the market they can buy it MUCH cheaper and put a better margin on it and still be cheaper than other MP3 manufactures.	winmacguy (3367)
514458	2007-01-12 01:51:00	The 512MB Shuffle is older stock that the 1 GB shuffle (depends on which 1GB shuffle your referring to.) With regards to the FLASH RAM, what I was referring to was Apples purchasing power. Due to the amount they purchase compared to other players on the market they can buy it MUCH cheaper and put a better margin on it and still be cheaper than other MP3 manufactures. then why does the 512 cost more (see pricespy) and why are the competitors cheaper still? is it because apple puts that large margin on it and get away with it because it's fashionable to have one? just like a mercedes, the most unreliable brand of car, also the most expensive to fix, while still the most expensive despite all the features included are offered in any luxury car at a much lower cost you can't argue that the ipod's sucess isn't partly due to their marketing see my sig	motorbyclist (188)
514459	2007-01-12 02:04:00	then why does the 512 cost more (see pricespy) and why are the competitors cheaper still? is it because apple puts that large margin on it and get away with it because it's fashionable to have one? just like a mercedes, the most unreliable brand of car, also the most expensive to fix, while still the most expensive despite all the features included are offered in any luxury car at a much lower cost you can't argue that the ipod's sucess isn't partly due to their marketing see my sig If it is Apple's RAM, they are notorious for their markup! In terms of the 512MB Shuffle (looks like a stick of gum) It was a newer design and the initial manufacture would have possibly cost more. The no longer manufacture the 512MB Shuffle. Each time Apple brings out an updated version of a product they have refined the product and the manufacturing process - harks back to the days of The Woz. A number of things contibuted to Apple's success Slick marketing campaign The device did what it was supposed to do- play music The device was simple to use compared to the competition Care and attention to detail and design. The device worked easily with the software provided. Apple continues to refine each generation of its product- something other competitors don't always do. Apple controls both hardware and software. Many other competitors have beaten Apple in individual areas for sure but not as a combined package, that is the secret to the success. Your signature does have a lot of truth to it depending on the product from ladies knickers, to hand bags , to shoes and about 8 or more years ago to computers.	winmacguy (3367)
514460	2007-01-12 02:08:00	If it is Apple's RAM, they are notorious for their markup! In terms of the 512MB Shuffle (looks like a stick of gum) It was a newer design and the initial manufacture would have possibly cost more. The no longer manufacture the 512MB Shuffle. Each time Apple brings out an updated version of a product they have refined the product and the manufacturing process - harks back to the days of The Woz. A number of things contibuted to Apple's success Slick marketing campaign The device did what it was supposed to do- play music The device was simple to use compared to the competition Care and attention to detail and design. The device worked easily with the software provided. Apple controls both hardware and software. Many other competitors have beaten Apple in individual areas for sure but not as a combined package, that is the secret to the success. i'll agree with you but for the ease of use, which is subjective, and note that i find the competition to be harder to break, and cheaper. but if apple can get away with the price, well, they are. none of the competiton had the marketing campaign, and in my opinion, that is the only difference (ignoring price, being a result of the marketing's sucess) now, back to the iphone!	motorbyclist (188)
514461	2007-01-12 02:15:00	i'll agree with you but for the ease of use, which is subjective, and note that i find the competition to be harder to break, and cheaper. but if apple can get away with the price, well, they are. none of the competiton had the marketing campaign, and in my opinion, that is the only difference (ignoring price, being a result of the marketing's sucess) now, back to the iphone! If marketing was the only part of it they wouldnt have had the equivalent amount of success. Nowdays if a product doesn't work and enough people complain online in blogs or YouTube or stop buying it, the companies sales go down the toilet very quickly. Apple's sales keep increasing year over year, which means that overall the product must be working pretty well compared to the competition. regarding the iPhone, let me know what you think if and when you get one. Its not my cup of tea and I dont need one.	winmacguy (3367)
514462	2007-01-12 03:08:00	If marketing was the only part of it they wouldnt have had the equivalent amount of success. Nowdays if a product doesn't work and enough people complain online in blogs or YouTube or stop buying it, the companies sales go down the toilet very quickly. Apple's sales keep increasing year over year, which means that overall the product must be working pretty well compared to the competition. regarding the iPhone, let me know what you think if and when you get one. Its not my cup of tea and I dont need one. yeah, IF i get one. i definetly don't need one, and seeing as i just quit about 5 minutes ago i can't afford one either;)	motorbyclist (188)
514463	2007-01-12 04:26:00	Such is life. Personally I am more interested in replacing my existing PC with a Mac than getting an iPhone. That is probably because I am more into design, music and digital video than gaming.	winmacguy (3367)
514464	2007-01-12 04:34:00	Uh,no, Its because your an apple fanatic. Granted the Macs aren't currently as over priced nor as stupidly slow as they have been over the last decade, But you can still get a faster, higher quality, more capable PC for the same amount of money, Granted the security holes then come into play (which is more a trap for fresh players) but on the positive side your not entrapped by Apple software and hardware. So the reference to design, music and digital video is a total load of pathetic crap, Why not just say you prefer the Mac OS so thats what you intend to get without all the meat-stroking and spin.	Metla (12)
514465	2007-01-12 06:26:00	But you can still get a faster, higher quality, more capable PC for the same amount of money, Granted the security holes then come into play (which is more a trap for fresh players) but on the positive side your not entrapped by Apple software and hardware. Outdated myth on all points there Metla. Mac OS uses the same Core2Duo chip as regular Windows which is probably why you can run regular Windows on it with Bootcamp or Parallels. These days the only software that doesn't run on OS X is games. The list of stuff that Macs use includes MS Office, Adobe CS, OpenOffice, All webdesign software, Basically about 14,000 apps. There are selected other niche areas and certain AutoCAD apps that don't have a Mac version and possibly some data processing apps that are PC only. In a corporate situation I can log on to your network and check out all the folders on your computer as if it was mine. I can purchase the same hard drive for my machine as you, the same monitor, the same keyboard, mouse, printer, camera, scanner, connect to the same audio visual projector..... I enjoy design, photography and digital video and don't have anything against gaming, its just not something I have ever kept up with.	winmacguy (3367)
514466	2007-01-12 06:44:00	Yep, Mac has improved as its moved closer to the PC platform, No doubt about it. :rolleyes: Lmfao, so much spin. Nothing wrong with a modern Mac, Nothing fantastic about them either. You still get to pay a premium for limited choice in hardware and software which both contribute to the machines limitations. It has nothing to do with creativity, Just personal preference. Though I still fail to see how preferring OS9 to W98 makes all Apple products the greatest ever and Steve Knobs into a hero. If your mind was open when you sat down at your first Mac it most certainly isn't anymore. The answer to life, The Universe, Everything isn't Apple, Apple is just another wanky brand.	Metla (12)
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