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Thread ID: 76517	2007-02-03 11:39:00	Global Warming	mikebartnz (21)	PC World Chat

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522328	2007-02-14 00:31:00	Global Warming? Bring it on, Hopefully it will wipe out the hippies,greenies and the media. Don't be to tough on the hippies,they are into free love,if somewhat smelly.:rolleyes:	Cicero (40)
522329	2007-02-14 01:20:00	Reducing CO2 won't have any effect . In fact, CO2 is not a greenhouse gas worthy of concern . Yet we are led to believe otherwise . This will end up costing industry billions, all for nothing . I agree with the rest of your post but don't dismiss CO2 . The release of carbon by human activity is happening daily . Normally this would cycle naturally over millions of years but we've suddenly speeded it up . The carbon gets absorbed by the atmosphere and ultimately by the sea . That causes algae blooms and acidification of sea water . The effect is subtle but damned difficult to reverse . There is also confuion over carbon . There is organic carbon (oil, coal etc) and inorganic carbon - CO2 being an example . They each have quite different effects on the environment . The point is that a sudden release of carbon has a dramatic effect on all life on the planet, and climate . That's what the whole global warming "mans fault/is not" is all about . I have no idea whether the carbon credits scheme is workable but it seems a pretty simple tool to bring about change .	Winston001 (3612)
522330	2007-02-14 01:54:00	A read for those into such goings on. www.umich.edu	Cicero (40)
522331	2007-02-14 05:58:00	failing to act is much MUCH worse than lowering pollution only for the benefit of our health Yeah. And that's the exactly the same rhetoric used by politicians to persuade us that all these extra taxes we will end up paying will help save the planet. If in doubt, throw it out. :cool: The anthropogenic global warming argument is seriously in doubt.	manicminer (4219)
522332	2007-02-14 06:02:00	Most scientists agree that there is some (Just because 10 scientists say its not happening doesn't mean that it isn't) . That's not true . The message is to take better care of our planet . Yes - we've known that for an awful long time and haven't done much to rectify it . Why the sudden panic now? The reason is the opportunity to make money .	manicminer (4219)
522333	2007-02-14 06:47:00	Yes - we've known that for an awful long time and haven't done much to rectify it . Why the sudden panic now? The reason is the opportunity to make money . :groan: we only recently (in the grand scale of things) became aware that we are doing damage! honestly, just because we didn't care before doesn't mean we shouldn't! and remember we've only been causing this problem for 100 years now . as i see it a 30% increase in atmospheric CO2 has coincided with the industrial revolution . coincidence? maybe, maybe not, but as i said before (obviously you didn't actually think about the consequences and the fact that if we do act it's a win-win situation - better health plus climate/atmospheric security) failing to act could be the single biggest mistake we as a species ever make . all this talk of money, are we to put a price on our lives/lifestyles? and putting an end to our oil dependancy isn't a bad idea with finite oil reserves etc . one war/trade embargo and NZ would fall into anarchy when we become unable to ship food into the cities:stare: i know i would welcome a cheaper alternative to petrol, assuming it doesn't do even more damage :rolleyes:	motorbyclist (188)
522334	2007-02-14 07:30:00	:groan: we only recently (in the grand scale of things) became aware that we are doing damage! honestly, just because we didn't care before doesn't mean we shouldn't! and remember we've only been causing this problem for 100 years now . as i see it a 30% increase in atmospheric CO2 has coincided with the industrial revolution . coincidence? maybe, maybe not, but as i said before (obviously you didn't actually think about the consequences and the fact that if we do act it's a win-win situation - better health plus climate/atmospheric security) failing to act could be the single biggest mistake we as a species ever make . all this talk of money, are we to put a price on our lives/lifestyles? and putting an end to our oil dependancy isn't a bad idea with finite oil reserves etc . one war/trade embargo and NZ would fall into anarchy when we become unable to ship food into the cities:stare: i know i would welcome a cheaper alternative to petrol, assuming it doesn't do even more damage :rolleyes: You may be confusing the climate change issue with pollution . They are two completely separate issues altogether . Yes - we do need to wean ourselves off oil . For economic and pollution purposes . . leightonsmith . co . nz/Default . asp?s=Topics&id=5201" target="_blank">www . leightonsmith . co . nz " . . . . official temperature records of the Climate Research Unit at the University of East Anglia . . . for the years 1998-2005 global average temperature did not increase (there was actually a slight decrease, though not at a rate that differs significantly from zero) . "	manicminer (4219)
522335	2007-02-14 11:08:00	You may be confusing the climate change issue with pollution . They are two completely separate issues altogether . Yes - we do need to wean ourselves off oil . For economic and pollution purposes . yea i know there is a difference but CO2 is considered a greenhouse gas . another particuarly bad group of greenhouse gasses are nitrous oxides which are also spouted from oil-burning engines (although catalytic converters do lessen these emmissions) weaning ourselves of oil (assuming the alternative is both clean and cheap) will cut pollution, help the economy and -in theory- help fight global warming . now if global warming is infact out of our control, we still come out better off, so why not do it? we can't lose	motorbyclist (188)
522336	2007-02-14 11:13:00	www.leightonsmith.co.nz "....official temperature records of the Climate Research Unit at the University of East Anglia... for the years 1998-2005 global average temperature did not increase (there was actually a slight decrease, though not at a rate that differs significantly from zero)." may i point out that 1998 it the hottest year on record, and temperatures not decreasing at a rate "that differs significantly from zero" is no major issue considering that the global average temperature has increased only a few degrees (3 off the top of my head, so don't quote me) in the past 100 years. remember: you can use statistics to prove any point:p	motorbyclist (188)
522337	2007-02-14 21:08:00	Yes - we've known that for an awful long time and haven't done much to rectify it. Why the sudden panic now? The reason is the opportunity to make money. Er, no. You probably don't remember the 1970s but that was the Anti-Pollution decade. The industrial West (USA and Europe) suddenly woke up to diseased rivers that no-one could swim in, and acid rain. It took the 1980s to fix or mitigate those problems and the genesis of todays environmental movement can be traced directly back to the anti-pollution campaign.	Winston001 (3612)
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