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Thread ID: 76571	2007-02-05 11:16:00	14 year old dies - he deserved it too	motorbyclist (188)	PC World Chat

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522956	2007-02-06 05:27:00	When I was 15 I knew EVERYTHING and my Dad did not know much. When I was older I was really amazed at how much my father had learned in only a few years. My posting in this thread is to try and stop some of the younger people from killing themselves and others. I do not know whether the boy was a thug or would have grown up to be a thug. His actions were certainly misguided to say the least. If he had been kicked in the tail end at an early age I don't think we would be having this discussion. I don't believe in child abuse where mother or father wacks child causing serious injury. In my day we had corporal punishment both at home and at school for misdemeanors. In the event I was charged with an offence which carried a prison sentence I have the feeling I would not want some people here on the Jury. This is because some appear to have made their minds up without knowing all the facts. I do not know all the facts. It is also highly unlikely all the facts will get to the public domain. At 14 years I would have thought the lad should have known the difference between right and wrong. So would it be MY right to punish a person I see hot wiring your car? Is it MY right to kill someone I see bashing someone within an inch of their lives? And if I kicked your Kid in tail end for some transgression I would probably be in court defending my actions. Just one of the things I have learned in my lifetime is that there is no definite black or white ( wrong or right ). It appears to me, IMHO, there are infinite shades of grey. Circumstances alter cases. too true, and trust me, if i saw some kid hotwiring a car i would give him a kick up the ass (once proving it isn't his car first, and assuming he didn't do a runner, of course) also, next driver who opens a car door in a deliberate attempt to knock me off my bike (obviously too thick to realise i'll take his door off, so why is he allowed to drive?) is going to have his keys removed from the ignition and thrown somewhere unreachable, whether or not he gets in the way of my hand is his choice (carbon fibre armour in my gloves, so no issue for me, really) - and yes you can tell when it's deliberate, the accidental ones actually hit you as a child my parents would smack me if i did something wrong, but it was not abuse, and by ten years old it didn't really hurt, but i still don't steal/do drugs/vandalise/assault/run from police. I have been taught some values, like the importance of third party insurance - it really sunk in when my brother's bike got written off by an unlicenced, uninsured f**kwit	motorbyclist (188)
522957	2007-02-08 04:10:00	Grandma glad boy's life of 'hell' over The grieving grandmother of dead 14-year-old Rotorua boy Pehi Tahana is relieved her troubled grandson's life is now over. "I know it sounds harsh, but I'm glad in a way," said Elaine Tahana from Tapuaeharuru Marae on the shores of Lake Rotoiti, as she waited for the arrival of the hearse carrying the boy's body. "He lived in hell for 14 years and now he is finally at peace. It's a blessing." The tangi got under way late yesterday afternoon, and the funeral is planned for tomorrow. The boy met his death on Monday after a joyride in a stolen car through the Bay of Plenty and Waikato went wrong. Road spikes set up by police on State Highway 28 led to the car's tyres exploding and the vehicle ploughing in to an oncoming van. The driver of the van and two 15-year-old passengers in Pehi's car survived the crash. Mrs Tahana said her son, Dwayne, was Pehi's father. The boy's mother, Serena, lived in Whatawhata, near Hamilton. Both parents were feeling the loss of their son, but were coming to terms in accepting it. She said the family had not known for months where Pehi was. About two weeks ago he was seen at Lake Rotoma converting an uncle's car. A neighbour chased him and felled him in a tackle. The "step up" in criminal activity to stealing cars began about six months ago. As a result of that, Pehi's father had begun to "put his foot down". Police were aware of the youth's criminal behaviour, but had been limited in what they could do because of his age. Mrs Tahana did not blame police or "the system" for the end to her grandson's life, but said many young people today were displaying similar traits. "They are just slipping through the cracks. They don't put value on life. I'm 67 and I treasure every second now." Over recent years, it was known Pehi had skipped more school than he had attended. "Even if he did one term at school that would be too long." He was a loner due to his social problems and had difficulty in making friends. Mrs Tahana did not know the two 15-year-olds travelling with her grandson when he died. At one stage, Pehi tried visiting Kawerau to mix with the local Mongrel Mob and its prospect members, but was isolated from that environment thanks to family connections. At 12, he was sent away, though Mrs Tahana declined to say where. "I've brought up seven of my own children and have looked after six grandchildren," she said. "From an early age, I knew there was something different." Tantrums began at age 3, which later turned to severe bouts of anger. Then, aged about 5, Pehi began stealing from his parents and grandparents. "At 7, he was breaking and entering. "Every house around here would have been done by him," Mrs Tahana said. The family had sought help through various agencies and a psychological assessment showed he had attention deficit hyperactivity disorder. He had also been a glue and petrol sniffer. Pehi's parents and his whanau had loved and cared for him but had been at a loss about what to do about his misbehaviour. Child, Youth and Family counsellors, psychologists, police, teachers, and whanau had all tried but failed to address his behavioural problems. ----- The guy was 14, and had a crap load of years left to possibly change his life. Yes ... change to a beast.	SKT174 (1319)
522958	2007-02-08 11:16:00	The "step up" in criminal activity to stealing cars began about six months ago. As a result of that, Pehi's father had begun to "put his foot down". what!? should've "put his foot down" when the boy was 3 from the sounds of things.....	motorbyclist (188)
522959	2007-02-09 02:29:00	The best ways to stop this sort of thing is... To put anyone that drives a car without a licence in Jail for 5 years. And make this guy's family pay for the cost of the police chase, and repay the Insurance company who will have to pay out for the stolen car and the cost of the inquiries. Take it out of their pay or benefit till they die. Put the case on TV once a week by interviewing the boys family getting them to tell other people not to let their kids do it ? Thats a start. Regards Digby	Digby (677)
522960	2007-02-09 05:47:00	The best ways to stop this sort of thing is... To put anyone that drives a car without a licence in Jail for 5 years. And make this guy's family pay for the cost of the police chase, and repay the Insurance company who will have to pay out for the stolen car and the cost of the inquiries. Take it out of their pay or benefit till they die. Put the case on TV once a week by interviewing the boys family getting them to tell other people not to let their kids do it ? Thats a start. Regards Digby now i agree, 5 years, and the punishment for car theft at any age over 10 should be 5 years also, let 'em do school via correspondence - they were going to fail anyway, atleast this way they can't wag but total tv coverage, while good, is tedious and the people who need to watch it simply won't. we need to teach morals and values, like honesty and respect towards other people and their property i put all the problems schools are suffering with 'gangsta' children etc simply down to the students' lack of respect for anything. if they could only realise that THEIR money pays for the running of the school, and by destroying it, and giving teachers **** they are wasting their (parents) and other students' money. that's why once you reach 7th form and university (and even 6th form to a lesser degree) there is no longer any idiots in your classes.... coincidentally the average skin tone [edited]	motorbyclist (188)
522961	2007-02-09 05:50:00	we need to teach morals and values, like honesty and respectYeah I agree, and you seem to be in need of further teaching. If you follow those values then I suggest you rethink your offensive racist comments I had to remove from your post. Talk about double-standards.	Jen (38)
522962	2007-02-09 06:07:00	Yeah I agree, and you seem to be in need of further teaching. If you follow those values then I suggest you rethink your offensive racist comments I had to remove from your post. Talk about double-standards. racist? it's true! and since when did white people who think they're black count as a race? i'm not racist, but i do admit that i tend tend to stereotype based on appearance, but that extends to people driving 4WDs, especially izuzu bighorns being slow/blind and that home schooled kids are weird not racist but i'll accept that it sure sounded that way	motorbyclist (188)
522963	2007-02-09 06:15:00	Haha yeah these mods go a bit over board sometimes. Often display double standards themselves.	roddy_boy (4115)
522964	2007-02-09 06:20:00	As motorbyclist has admitted, his comments sounded that way so I don't think my edit was "a bit overboard". Using those sorts of inflammatory terms to describe ethnic groups is NOT acceptable on this forum.	Jen (38)
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