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Thread ID: 76571	2007-02-05 11:16:00	14 year old dies - he deserved it too	motorbyclist (188)	PC World Chat

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522946	2007-02-06 01:51:00	ru the gas stations owner?. I don't own a Gas Station. If I did, I would not want a person dead becuase they drove off without paying. This said..... The 14 yr old had choices as we all do.	Sweep (90)
522947	2007-02-06 02:22:00	I have a 10 year old son....will be making sure that he ain't piss-arsing around in high-powered cars in four years time. And how are you going to do that? All this "who's fault is it"? stuff. Its his fault. He chose to. Maybe his parents are useless, maybe they're not. My son stole my car when he was 16, drove off drunk with mates and proceeded to trash it in the process. He certainly didn't have my approval or my knowledge. Lucky no-one was hurt and he's never driven since but the point is that teenage kids often go off and do stupid things without their parents knowledge. The best you can do is educate them, punish them if you catch them and hope they retain a few brains and survive.	pctek (84)
522948	2007-02-06 02:34:00	and unfortunately pretty much ANY $500 bomb will do a very respectable speed these days they certainly dont need to be 'high powererd'........hell my little toyota corolla does an easy 140km (ahem cough cough)	drcspy (146)
522949	2007-02-06 02:51:00	And how are you going to do that? All this "who's fault is it"? stuff . Its his fault . He chose to . Maybe his parents are useless, maybe they're not . My son stole my car when he was 16, drove off drunk with mates and proceeded to trash it in the process . He certainly didn't have my approval or my knowledge . Lucky no-one was hurt and he's never driven since but the point is that teenage kids often go off and do stupid things without their parents knowledge . The best you can do is educate them, punish them if you catch them and hope they retain a few brains and survive . Quite easily really . 14 is different to 16 . The freedom they get should (I nearly said "is" . . . but clearly that isn't the case in our society) be vastly different between the two ages . I agree teenagers are in their own world, but a 14 y/o teenager is different to a 19 y/o teenager, and will be treated as such . So demands my 18 y/o teenager .	allblack (6574)
522950	2007-02-06 03:15:00	Re: 14 year old dies - he deserved it too Very, very few are despicably evil enough to deserve to die at the age of 14. To expand this line of thinking a little (only a little, because it doesn't deserve nor bear expanding), this suggests that at the age of 14, this kid deserved to be executed for his crime and further, it seems that there are plenty of hard men [sic] here who would pull the trigger to snuff his life. Save your self-righteous moral outrage for the real despots. Instead of senseless moronic interweb hardnut rantings, how about putting some of your considerable bluff and bluster into encouraging the teaching of real (meaningful) responsibility, accountability and liability along with the empowerment that is taught today, what about lobbying for legislation to make it easier for authorities to prosecute minors in adult court for crimes that are indictable and, if the little sods can't pay fines and reparation, make their parents or guardians the guarantors (if that happens to be a welfare agency, make them pay, hopefully it'll encourage them to lift their game), how about enough councillors and secure facilities that can provide quality rather than regurgitating ratbags back into society and through the system on an endless loop until they are adults and can be thrown in the pokey? Nah! You're right, it's much easier, takes less precious thought, to put on the white sheets and pointy hat and lynch someone.	Murray P (44)
522951	2007-02-06 03:46:00	14 and 16 may only be 2 years apart, but most of us here should know that our minds think differently at 14 and 16. At 14 I was still immature and still cling on to my parents' decisions. Now at 16, I've somehow distanced my opinions to theirs and is not so much under their decisions. At 14, this boy probably didn't have his parents to be a good role model and to be responsible parents. If that's not the case, then yes, the boy is at fault 100%. If it isn't, and he does have irresponsible, lousy parents, my guess is the fault is 50/50 - 50 parents, 50 boy. Either way, the bright side is that the boy is one less thug we don't have to worry about.	qazwsxokmijn (102)
522952	2007-02-06 04:57:00	Its a little thing I like to call Natural Selection	Tux (606)
522953	2007-02-06 05:17:00	ok, i didn't mean 'deserved it' as in punishment, i am against death sentences on the principle that the justice system is human and therefore imperfect, but - what i did mean is it was entirely his own fault. not his useless parents, and not the police for using a spike strip. he deserved castration and imprisonment, but got himself killed instead. his not dying would have been a better outcome, hell even just running out of gas, but odds were he'd kill some innocent pedestrian/driver before then, and that could be you, me, or someone we know. i do think the police should have ensured there was no traffic, possibly by putting a roadblock ahead of the spike strip, but they may not have had the resources to do that. it's still the boy's fault, regardless of actions his friends, parents, and police could have taken: if your prepared to speed/run from police, be prepared to die and take others with you.	motorbyclist (188)
522954	2007-02-06 05:20:00	14 and 16 may only be 2 years apart, but most of us here should know that our minds think differently at 14 and 16. At 14 I was still immature and still cling on to my parents' decisions. Now at 16, I've somehow distanced my opinions to theirs and is not so much under their decisions. At 14, this boy probably didn't have his parents to be a good role model and to be responsible parents. If that's not the case, then yes, the boy is at fault 100%. If it isn't, and he does have irresponsible, lousy parents, my guess is the fault is 50/50 - 50 parents, 50 boy. Either way, the bright side is that the boy is one less thug we don't have to worry about. When I was 15 I knew EVERYTHING and my Dad did not know much. When I was older I was really amazed at how much my father had learned in only a few years. My posting in this thread is to try and stop some of the younger people from killing themselves and others. I do not know whether the boy was a thug or would have grown up to be a thug. His actions were certainly misguided to say the least. If he had been kicked in the tail end at an early age I don't think we would be having this discussion. I don't believe in child abuse where mother or father wacks child causing serious injury. In my day we had corporal punishment both at home and at school for misdemeanors. In the event I was charged with an offence which carried a prison sentence I have the feeling I would not want some people here on the Jury. This is because some appear to have made their minds up without knowing all the facts. I do not know all the facts. It is also highly unlikely all the facts will get to the public domain. At 14 years I would have thought the lad should have known the difference between right and wrong. So would it be MY right to punish a person I see hot wiring your car? Is it MY right to kill someone I see bashing someone within an inch of their lives? And if I kicked your Kid in tail end for some transgression I would probably be in court defending my actions. Just one of the things I have learned in my lifetime is that there is no definite black or white ( wrong or right ). It appears to me, IMHO, there are infinite shades of grey. Circumstances alter cases.	Sweep (90)
522955	2007-02-06 05:21:00	i do think, seeing as natural selection no longer applies, and the increasing number of useless parents, that individuals who commit violent crimes (especially repeat sex offenders) should be 'fixed' i read one repeat sex offender(paedophile) actually volunteered for it and says he hasn't had any urges since, and recommends it. it seems only the responsible get vasectomies, but what about those too stupid to realise they cannot raise a child (namely those who don't use contraception, heavy drug addicts, and f**kwits in general) ok, point being, does sterilisation sound like a good idea to stop inmates bringing up more inmates? sure beats abortion, and prevention IS the best cure	motorbyclist (188)
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