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| Thread ID: 77285 | 2007-03-04 21:36:00 | Top Gear finally reports on an ordinary car...... | Billy T (70) | PC World Chat |
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| 530061 | 2007-03-05 01:35:00 | Its like comparing chalk and cheese in terms of the category of car (medium size vs Large size car) . I am in the market for a mazda 6 size of car, but wouldn't even consider the maxima, as it is in another size class, as it is a massive bulky thing, with a huge gas guzzler . The maxima is similar is size class to the ford falcon, the holden commodore, while the m6 is in the size class of the vw passett or peugeot 407 which are far smaller in dimensions and engine size . Really??? Best you stop relying on car company marketing propoganda . Compared to the "massive bulky" Maxima: - the Passat is higher, and only 40mm narrower . Though go for a 500km drive, it'll feel a lot more! - the Mazda 6 in 5mm narrower . That's this ___ much! - the Maxima uses 10l/100km . That's 1 . 4l more than the official consumption figures for the Mazda 6 . Or to put it another way $2 . 06 extra between Wellington and Levin . Best I get rid of my "huge gas guzzler" . . . . . - The Commodore is 30mm longer, 113mm wider and 46mm higher . My guess is the Falcon will be even more than the Commodore, though I'm not sure . Hope you're car purchase goes well . You've obviously worked hard and researched all your facts . . . . . That said, let me offer some advice my friend . Stop relying on figures, and drive the things . 10mm counts for zip if you can't get comfortable in the seat . An extra 2l/100km means nothing, if your car has a torquey engine that makes getting out of the slow corners easier, and there is a Maui campervan 500m ahead on a passing lane just before you hit the northern end of the Desert Road!! AB |
allblack (6574) | ||
| 530062 | 2007-03-05 04:51:00 | An extra 2l/100km means nothing, if your car has a torquey engine that makes getting out of the slow corners easier, and there is a Maui campervan 500m ahead on a passing lane just before you hit the northern end of the Desert Road!!ABMazdas have always had good low and midrange torque, which is another reason why I like them, but so far I get the impression that peak torque in the 6 has moved a fair distance up the rev range . This one has the 2 . 3L engine but is not overly happy lugging in 5th gear on local hills that the old 2L 626 steamed up in 5th, but it has a lot more grunt overall . Performance wasn't helped by the fact that the Dealer had filled it with 91 when it needed 95, and I assume that the modern engine management system just retarded the ignition when it sensed pinking under load, because when refilled with Super it was more lively and the engine was quieter under acceleration too . Any truth in my subjective impression SJ? It has cruise control, a trip computer (surprising to see how much more economical it is to let the computer drive the car that it is to use my right foot) , six airbags, 6CD stacker, six speaker stereo, mag wheels and low profile wide radials (did I mention it is the Sportwagon version?) and the cams are chain drive (no belt) so there's an expensive maintenance item gone . It has to last me another 10 years so I'm not going to flog it . Cheers Billy 8-{) |
Billy T (70) | ||
| 530063 | 2007-03-05 05:18:00 | Hey Billy. Sportwagon? So I assume you're gonna be lugging stuff around? Just a personal opinion, not a scientific one, but I reckon you're gonna go out of your tree with a 2.3, and a full wagon. At the end of the day, new-age physics aside, grunt comes from displacement. And I don't think you'll be happy with a (probably) high-revving, peaky little jap-box if you are going to regularly have heavy loads in the back. Just a thought... AB |
allblack (6574) | ||
| 530064 | 2007-03-05 05:26:00 | there is no replacement for displacement | plod (107) | ||
| 530065 | 2007-03-05 05:56:00 | there is no replacement for displacement QFT. |
Metla (12) | ||
| 530066 | 2007-03-05 06:23:00 | Just a personal opinion, not a scientific one, but I reckon you're gonna go out of your tree with a 2 . 3, and a full wagon . At the end of the day, new-age physics aside, grunt comes from displacement . And I don't think you'll be happy with a (probably) high-revving, peaky little jap-box if you are going to regularly have heavy loads in the back . Just a thought . . . AB Well, Top Gear commented positively on the low & midrange torque, and I've been happy enough with 2 litres carrying 4 people inside, a cargo area full of luggage and 2 bikes on the back . Mazda don't make hi-revving peaky motors though, low to midrange torque is their thing, though this one sure flies if you rev it . I'd probably hate it if it was an auto, I can't stand slushboxes however I did consider a Tiptronic before I located this manual . Pushy driving is not my style these days though, I'm past my times of finishing work in Taupo at 5pm and being home in AK for dinner by 8pm, or driving from K'rd to Tauranga in two hours, not anymore now that I pay for fuel and maintenance! I'm a 100-105 cruiser on the open road and enjoy cog shuffling on the hilly and twisty bits plus a little bit of elbow exercise on unsealed roads . I learned to drive in a '59 Beetle on unsealed roads and never lost my liking for a bit of a slide . I had a five speed 3 . 3 litre Commodore before I moved to Mazda and I didn't notice the drop in displacement at all, just the reduction in refills per trip . I'd probably feel different if it was a Honda . Cheers Billy 8-{) |
Billy T (70) | ||
| 530067 | 2007-03-05 06:28:00 | [QUOTE=Billy T;531046] I had a five speed 3.3 litre Commodore before I moved to Mazda and I didn't notice the drop in displacement at all, just the reduction in refills per trip. /QUOTE] VB? I had one with an auto...absolute piece of Nice in red though. |
allblack (6574) | ||
| 530068 | 2007-03-05 08:05:00 | VB? I had one with an auto . . . absolute piece of Nice in red though . I had a bright yellow 4 speed VB that was pretty good, then I went to an auto VH which was a total crock and was ultimately replaced by the dealer (when well out of warranty) for the 5 speed manual VH . All were company cars . After that sorry experience I took the company fleet into Mazdas and had three 626s in succession before I quit the job and went self-employed . Funnily enough I had always had Toyotas prior to that job, however Toyota wouldn't cut a fleet deal (true!) but Mazda welcomed the chance and sold quite a few vehicles as a consequence . Cheers Billy 8-{) |
Billy T (70) | ||
| 530069 | 2007-03-05 08:13:00 | Thats weird, Toyota always have a trade price on new wagons, The list price isn't even mentioned, I got 11 grand off the price of my wagon, and we were only after the one. | Metla (12) | ||
| 530070 | 2007-03-05 09:58:00 | Thats weird, Toyota always have a trade price on new wagons, This was for cars, not wagons, and it was back in the mid 80's when dealer discounting was relatively rare for small numbers, but to be fair my previous employer negotiated good discounts for a nationwide fleet of Corolla wagons. Discounting was there all right, and Mazda came to the party, but a series of Toyota Dealers just quoted list prices and said take it or leave it, hence Mazda got the deal. There may have been regional differences in policy, but these were key Auckland Toyota dealerships. Cheers Billy 8-{) |
Billy T (70) | ||
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