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Thread ID: 77578	2007-03-14 08:24:00	Sunday TV One Its about Broadband Again	Hitech (9024)	PC World Chat

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533000	2007-03-18 10:24:00	Originally Posted by stu161204 If any one missed the story on NZ Broadband on “Sunday” I record it & I will be putting it online, . . . Better be careful not to breach copyright laws :) Quite safe . With dubious speed capabilities available, the copyright (and a lot of us) will probably expire long before he can upload it never mind the time for us to download it . :D See how Aunty Theresa protects us from ourselves?	R2x1 (4628)
533001	2007-03-18 10:34:00	You knew about Wellington's unfinished/unused cable network? And you'd heard those 2 senior former Telecom employees coming out with "insider" criticisms? I think many people in Wellington know about telecoms fibres line sitting in the boxes in their boxes outside their house. The evening post did an article on it quite a few years ago. I have one of them outside my house and knew about it, however it is redunant. At least telecom put them underground. Telstra ran them on the poles above the street, and many places in wellington have these great big fat cables hanging up above the pavement. Did they actually go into the reasons why it was never completed? They seemed to think that it was solely due to Saturn going bust. However it would also have been due to the changes in technology in the late 90's, where Chello over fibre was abandoned, and ADSL became the preferred choice of delivering broadband cheaply to houses throughout the world. Telecom may have some fibre optic cabling in place in Wellington, but they don't have the infrastructre to connect to it, due to them sticking with copper network, after the advances in ADSL technology. The insider criticisms were very broad range, and were only hearsay. I would refer to them as 'noise' with no substance. You could also dismiss them as disguntled exemployees with an axe to grind. One of them now runs a competing network, so his views are hardly impartial.	rogerp (6864)
533002	2007-03-18 10:36:00	You knew about Wellington's unfinished/unused cable network? And you'd heard those 2 senior former Telecom employees coming out with "insider" criticisms? Also Clear (now Telstra Clear) laid a lot of fibre round the Tauranga/Mt Maunganui areas five or 6 years ago, and then did nothing with it. So I get sick of Telco's saying its very expensive so they can't afford it. (Indeed the program presenter said that fibre is getting cheaper, as it must be with all the amount of it being laid world wide) Also the program announced the release of another report (!) on NZ's poor Telecommunications situation vis a vis the OCED. Toll Call pricing 22nd worst Mobile Phone pricing 22nd worst Broadband speed/pricing 22nd worst Well we might not have been 22nd on all three items but it was about that and I think there are 24 countries in the OECD. Also the world's 3rd richest man is the Mexican who owns Mexico's monopoly Telco - which has THE poorest rating in the OECD - so you will be able to figure that one out ! All we need to do is keep pointing this all out to Helen, who wants us to be up there, and if Telecom don't start investing in backbone fibre soon, she will force them to, or buy them, or set up that system that Rod Drury was talking about. Regards Digby	Digby (677)
533003	2007-03-18 10:37:00	Laura, whilst not disagreeing with you that much :), what the program did not make clear in any way shape or form for the average viewer who happens to be on Go Large is the principal reason why their broadband is so slow. ..And that reason is not inadequate 'backhaul' or lack of investment, it is that the traffic management plan with Go Large is/was not working from the word go. All traffic on that plan is being 'managed' as though it was P2P 24/7, with the result that many/most on Go Large are only getting a few kilobytes per second download. The traffic management in reality is not what the Telecom conditions stated. Yes, that is what I thought the story was going to cover. I thought that they were going to have someone from telecom who would explain exactly what the problems was, and some real facts on what the problem was. Instead they had a few past employees, discussing their personal views, with no substance. After watching it, I am none the wiser.	rogerp (6864)
533004	2007-03-18 10:41:00	Did they actually go into the reasons why it was never completed? They seemed to think that it was solely due to Saturn going bust . However it would also have been due to the changes in technology in the late 90's, where Chello over fibre was abandoned, and ADSL became the preferred choice of delivering broadband cheaply to houses throughout the world . Telecom may have some fibre optic cabling in place in Wellington, but they don't have the infrastructre to connect to it, due to them sticking with copper network, after the advances in ADSL technology . Do you work for Telecom ? What advances in ADSL ? ADSL 2+ ? - that is so outdated now, yet Telecom is making a big thing about bringing it in this year . In South Korea - just about every house has access to fibre optic cable and VDSL ! Its VDSL that gives true broadband speed ! the UK has this now also . regards Digby	Digby (677)
533005	2007-03-18 10:44:00	Also Clear (now Telstra Clear) laid a lot of fibre round the Tauranga/Mt Maunganui areas five or 6 years ago, and then did nothing with it. So I get sick of Telco's saying its very expensive so they can't afford it. (Indeed the program presenter said that fibre is getting cheaper, as it must be with all the amount of it being laid world wide) Also the program announced the release of another report (!) on NZ's poor Telecommunications situation vis a vis the OCED. Toll Call pricing 22nd worst Mobile Phone pricing 22nd worst Broadband speed/pricing 22nd worst Well we might not have been 22nd on all three items but it was about that and I think there are 24 countries in the OECD. Also the world's 3rd richest man is the Mexican who owns Mexico's monopoly Telco - which has THE poorest rating in the OECD - so you will be able to figure that one out ! All we need to do is keep pointing this all out to Helen, who wants us to be up there, and if Telecom don't start investing in backbone fibre soon, she will force them to, or buy them, or set up that system that Rod Drury was talking about. Regards Digby If we are 22nd worst out in a list of 24, doesn't that mean we are the 2nd best? :) The cost is largely due to the labour involved with laying the cables. What has made it uneconomical in part, is the resource management act, where new cabling must be laid underground. Telstra managed to get away with laying alot of their cables above ground on telephone poles in Wellington, which would have saved them a lot of money, but they got a lot of criticism due to the cables being an eyesore. I think wimax would cut down a lot of that cost.	rogerp (6864)
533006	2007-03-18 10:45:00	Yes, that is what I thought the story was going to cover. I thought that they were going to have someone from telecom who would explain exactly what the problems was, and some real facts on what the problem was. Instead they had a few past employees, discussing their personal views, with no substance. After watching it, I am none the wiser. Telecom can't discuss their investment plans in network, because they don't have any plans to invest. They still like giving their shareholders fat dividends, and also because their CEO has resigned (pushed) and they are in the process of finding a new one. So they are hardly going to make any new investments (aside from buying a few ADSL 2 cabinets) until they have a new CEO. So in the meantime we all wait and suffer. regards Digby	Digby (677)
533007	2007-03-18 10:47:00	Do you work for Telecom ? What advances in ADSL ? ADSL 2+ ? - that is so outdated now, yet Telecom is making a big thing about bringing it in this year. In South Korea - just about every house has access to fibre optic cable and VDSL ! Its VDSL that gives true broadband speed ! the UK has this now also. regards Digby I am talking about in the mid to late 90's when those cables were installed. Those cables have been installed for over a decade. A decade ago ADSL was new technology. The UK uses ADSL, and their situation isn't much better than we have in NZ. Both countries you have mentioned have far higher population densities.	rogerp (6864)
533008	2007-03-18 10:51:00	Telecom can't discuss their investment plans in network, because they don't have any plans to invest. They still like giving their shareholders fat dividends, and also because their CEO has resigned (pushed) and they are in the process of finding a new one. So they are hardly going to make any new investments (aside from buying a few ADSL 2 cabinets) until they have a new CEO. So in the meantime we all wait and suffer. regards Digby I agree that they haven't been investing enough for the long term, but that is largely due to the government not intervening a decade ago. It is a bit like Air NZ before Ansett came in, AirNZ had shocking customer service and bad airport terminals, in particular Wellington. As soon as Ansett came in, that all improved overnight. I blame the government.	rogerp (6864)
533009	2007-03-18 10:53:00	If we are 22nd worst out in a list of 24, doesn't that mean we are the 2nd best? :) The cost is largely due to the labour involved with laying the cables. What has made it uneconomical in part, is the resource management act, where new cabling must be laid underground. Telstra managed to get away with laying alot of their cables above ground on telephone poles in Wellington, which would have saved them a lot of money, but they got a lot of criticism due to the cables being an eyesore. I think wimax would cut down a lot of that cost. Roger, I agree with you that the RMA does add to costs. (I think they shoudl ditch it) But in some centres, poweco's and gas co's are combining to lay pipes in which they can put anything ! And we all know that Wellington City laid a fibre optic network, so it can be done. How does wimax reduce the cost of laying fibre optic cable ? I think you mean you think wimax would be able to offer a cheaper alternative to fixed broadband ! Once again you are wrong. Every expert says that wireless is not reliable, relies on line of site, and is slower than fibre optic. So whilst it will be good for rural areas, in towns and cities fibre optic is the way to go. We have had a wireless ISP here in Tauranga for the last 10 years and I do not think they have a huge share of the market. Regards Digby	Digby (677)
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