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Thread ID: 96196	2009-01-02 04:02:00	AMD's next move	Openingfuel (14473)	Press F1

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734299	2009-01-02 11:40:00	Ive always been a amd fan; atleast for there athlon 64 x2 range. perfext functionality and performance. low price good quality. will still with amd because they always come out better quality/cost than amd	ZapperBoy10647 (11988)
734300	2009-01-02 16:56:00	WOW, I really have to say............................LOL......thats just stupid!...LMAO I don't know how long you have been in IT, but I was around in the 80's when IBM PC's first came out. I worked for and then owned a company that sold PC's. They all had Intel CPU's. Every month we got new price lists from our suppliers. Long lists of Intel CPU's. Every now and then they introduced a new faster chip at the top of their range and the rest all moved down. But the prices overall NEVER dropped. It was only when AMD came out that Intel were forced to drop their prices in a big way. So if people don't support the opposition (buy buying them) the incumbent will keep their prices up.	Digby (677)
734301	2009-01-02 19:50:00	I don't know how long you have been in IT, but I was around in the W's when IBM PC's first came out. I worked for and then owned a company that sold PC's. They all had Intel CPU's. Every month we got new price lists from our suppliers. Long lists of Intel CPU's. Every now and then they introduced a new faster chip at the top of their range and the rest all moved down. But the prices overall NEVER dropped. It was only when AMD came out that Intel were forced to drop their prices in a big way. So if people don't support the opposition (buy buying them) the incumbent will keep their prices up. Are you the chap who owned the PC company?;)	Cicero (40)
734302	2009-01-02 21:23:00	Are you the chap who owned the PC company?;) No but I knew them, and did buy from them, till they got too big and greedy !	Digby (677)
734303	2009-01-03 00:28:00	Well I can't find any Core i7s at 6ghz or more, so I guess AMD might be the enthusiasts choice eventually . Original Author: Richard Swinburne of Bit-Tech . net In a ravenously positive post on Theo Valich's blog, formerly of Inquirer and TGDaily fame, he claims that AMD has worked specifically with extreme overclockers for the first time in years to achieve a 45nm design that is claimed to work flawlessly from -200C to +100C! AMD has tweaked the on-die sensor to not lock the part when below zero and AMD techies have apparently worked around cold bugs in the new K10 . 5 architecture . Apparently a with a good aircooled heatsink "4 . 0 GHz is a given on almost every Black Edition CPU that will hit the stores starting January 8, 2009 . " Watercooling is then claimed to hit 4 . 5GHz+ and extreme cooling has hit 6GHz in AMD, claims Theo . Phenom II will launch as part of the new "Dragon" platform in January, along with the 790GX/FX northbridges and SB750 southbridge that includes the new ACC (Advanced Clock Calibration) function . This ACC function is apparently crucial to these overclocking escapades though, effectively making those who own boards with SB600 southbridges or Nvidia chipsets unable to achieve such levels of performance . We approached Nvidia and asked if future Nvidia MCPs will also feature ACC and it confirmed that it's not an exclusive AMD technology and Nvidia products will feature it . This will enable better choice for the consumer, rather than the one horse race Intel is currently having . Theo also claims AMD's latest AM3 Phenom II CPUs generate 16GB/s from dual channel DDR3 1,333MHz . While this is clearly less than Intel's triple channel malarkey with Core i7, we've seen in our initial Core i7 review it does little to further performance over dual channel . The advantage Intel has is a higher integrated memory controller clock and faster core-uncore access over AMD . We can only hope AMD improves this internal latency with K10 . 5 . Finally, if a Phenom II 940 Black Edition (this is AM2+ however) is "40 percent of the amount you have to shell out for Core i7 Extreme 965," this could be perceived as good value . However, 40 percent of ~£875 = £350, 35 percent more than the very popular Core i7 920 that also hits 4GHz and is just £260 . When we consider the platform cost though - AM2+ uses far cheaper DDR2, and AMD motherboards are generally a fraction of the price of the current Intel X58 boards out there, so it could all work out remarkably well balanced . The only final consideration is performance . . pcflip . com/articles . php?view=news&id=114" target="_blank">www . pcflip . com	Netsukeninja (13296)
734304	2009-01-06 03:41:00	Deleted	SolMiester (139)
734305	2009-01-06 10:33:00	Next move would be to admit defeat and covert the factories over to making clock radio's and popcorn machines. I wouldn't give up on them so easily. Read this (newsticker.welt.de)	mikebartnz (21)
734306	2009-01-06 11:54:00	Ive always liked how AMD offer good bang-for-buck. Unfortunately Ive been using soley Atom boards lately due to their 1U size on a mini-itx board. Just wish there was a bit more variety ... Still love nVidia and wouldnt buy anything else ;)	Chilling_Silence (9)
734307	2009-01-07 08:53:00	Ive always liked how AMD offer good bang-for-buck. Unfortunately Ive been using soley Atom boards lately due to their 1U size on a mini-itx board. Just wish there was a bit more variety ... Still love nVidia and wouldnt buy anything else ;) I guess you are looking foward to nVidia Ion platforms then :)	Fifthdawn (9467)
734308	2009-01-07 09:16:00	I wouldn't give up on them so easily. Read this (newsticker.welt.de) Its not in English It appears to be am index featuring many many articles. This leaves me in a bit of a pickle, am I expected to learn a foreign language I haven't yet identified so I can read what maybe hundreds or thousands of pages of text in order to restore my faith in AMD?	Metla (12)
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