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Thread ID: 78531	2007-04-19 03:03:00	Trouble with understanding New Zealand legal system	Renmoo (66)	PC World Chat

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542316	2007-04-24 22:33:00	2 thoughts: Democracy can be defined as 10 wise men and 11 idiots - attributed to Churchill. The only man to ever enter parliament with honest intent was Guy Fawkes, and he managed to stuff up. We seem to lack 10 of those people, apparently they have been replaced by 110 of the other party Those who seek to expand Parliament should get the original Guy Fawkes method applied to them. 2 thoughts? The last politician in New Zealand who considered he had a thought wrote a book about it and proved himself wrong. (Twice.)	R2x1 (4628)
542317	2007-04-25 10:38:00	Everyone (including me) loves criticising politicians. They are an easy target. But few people offer constructive alternative ideas and go out and actually try to promote those ideas. How many of us here have stood for a local council, or Parliament? In other words, put our reputations, our families, our beliefs, on the line? Being in politics at any level deserves our respect even when we disagree with the individual.	Winston001 (3612)
542318	2007-04-25 11:58:00	You are quite correct Winston001. Unfortunately I fell into the old trap of judging all politicians by the actions of those who give the trade a bad name. (Around 97% of 'em) It's not the individual politicians I object to, it's their behaviour when they form into packs. With a gaggle of politicians, the sum of the group is frequently less than the average of the individuals. If each politician was to do one hour and then be replaced by the next rostered politician, they could have the parliament "personned" 40 hours a week, and each politician would only need to attend for an hour each 3 weeks. Decisions could be on the toss of a coin, chickens entrails or other traditional method. Parliament buildings could be made veroa proof and have real bees. The spare politicians could utter confident phrases, wear funny hats and play cricket.:yuck:	R2x1 (4628)
542319	2007-04-25 12:15:00	Everyone (including me) loves criticising politicians. They are an easy target. But few people offer constructive alternative ideas and go out and actually try to promote those ideas. How many of us here have stood for a local council, or Parliament? In other words, put our reputations, our families, our beliefs, on the line? Being in politics at any level deserves our respect even when we disagree with the individual. They deserve it, They chose that profession and everything they do has an impact on us, And they act like school kids, worse in fact, Kids would never get away with it, Nor would kids get to vote on how much they got paid, or have the law bent to accomodate the uglier kids with more power. A hex on them all. Lets ask Dear Helen about her disicion to not have Blood screened 15 years ago and how all the people got poisened and died. When this bunch of Monkeys earns my respect, they will have it in spades. That would take a massive shift in attitue that I can't see happening.	Metla (12)
542320	2007-04-25 18:44:00	It matter not that these people deceive themselves into thinking they are there for our benefit,the fact is they end up enjoying bossing us about and love having their noses in the trough,a trough full of our money. Take the case of Hunt who spent countless thousands on taxis,because he could.He is rewarded by a perk job in London. The list is endless. And these people deserve respect?	Cicero (40)
542321	2007-04-26 03:04:00	We can all point to individuals who seem to act selfishly or egotistically . That happens amongst work colleagues, friends and even family . Politicians are no different and sometimes they lose sight of ordinary life . My experience of local body councillors is that they are genuinely motivated even if they aren't the sharpest knives in the drawer . Same with some MPs . Ask yourselves this - if no-one was interested/cared enough to put their hand up to serve on Boards of Trustees, Hospital Boards, City Councils, Parliament, who would organise your schools, hospitals, roads, and rules of society? It is a thankless task .	Winston001 (3612)
542322	2007-04-26 10:28:00	Ask yourselves this - if no-one was interested/cared enough to put their hand up to serve on Boards of Trustees, Hospital Boards, City Councils, Parliament, These are all paid jobs aren't they? Well paid jobs even? The money is the thanks that they get, What a pity they don't also become personally responible for their stuff ups.	Metla (12)
542323	2007-04-26 10:57:00	These are all paid jobs aren't they? Well paid jobs even? The money is the thanks that they get, What a pity they don't also become personally responible for their stuff ups . Please let me set you straight on ONE of the roles Winston mentioned . I have just finished a stint on a School Board (2 terms - 6 years) . I certainly did not get rich on the proceeds: $55 a meeting, ten Full Board meetings a year, with numerous sub-committee meetings (unpaid) interspersed . Great experience, but as Winston says, a thankless task . . . I don't know about hospital boards, but I understand that you can make a reasonable living as a City Councilor, and you're on the pig's back as an MP (if you have a thick enough skin!!) . . .	johcar (6283)
542324	2007-04-26 11:31:00	JamesKan are you doing Stage 1 law at UoA?	Tux (606)
542325	2007-04-26 14:12:00	Err... I don't there is a simple answer to that. Technically speaking, New Zealand doesn't have a written constitution. The constitution is drawn from various documents to form "the nation's constitution". Frankly speaking, I am still not confident about this whole law story. Laura, so all MPs, Cabinet Ministers and opposition are also House of Representatives? What's the difference between MPs and Cabinet Ministers? Cheers :) Hi James, I did not read all this thread but as far as I am aware the law in New Zealand is based on the Westminster system, The Magna Carta, Common Law, ByLaws, Acts of Paliarment, Amendments to Acts, amendments to amendments and etcetera. Do not forget about The Treaty of Waitangi. All Laws are open to interpretation which is why we have various Courts in New Zealand. We also could go to the Privy Council in the UK at one time. A law once invented should be repealed once it is not enforcable. For example, "A person must run in front of a vehicle waviing a red flag." The Transport Act 1982 gave traffic officers the power "to inspect, test,examine any part of any motor vehicle on any road." A road was defined as any place the public has access to whether as af right or not. So you go into a carpark and as a traffic officer I could dismantle your whole engine. If you were a disqualfied driver and you lived on a Farm and drove a motor vehilcle up the Tanker track and the gate was not locked I would have access. I do not know if this helps you. The law is complex and people will find a way around it.	Sweep (90)
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